BavarianWheels wrote: ↑
Fri May 25, 2018 7:45 am
Kurieuo wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 6:45 pm
Weren't you recently arguing that Jesus as God didn't break the Sabbath, but rather fulfilled the requirements of the Law?
Who was nailed to the cross? So too the requirements of the Law, met in Jesus, were also nailed.
1. Let's be logical. You can ask any lawyer about a person that is found "not guilty" of breaking the law. Ask that lawyer if the guilty verdict allows the person on trial to break that law again because he/she has been found "not guilty" at some point.
I answered that question in your thread. Nonetheless, I'll provide a new response.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
In Christ, it isn't just a not guilty verdict, but rather we pass from judgement and are declared righteous. The righteousness we receive via faith in Christ saves us from God's righteous
judgement and wrath being poured out upon all who have done wrong and sinned against Him.
The wages of this sin we are told, is death. And indeed, we all see and experience death in our lives. Yet, the ultimate death, the second death, is being forever cut off from God who is the source of all life and goodness i.e., Hell.
If we were to do more of an apples to apples comparison, then when we place our faith in Christ, it seems according to your example we're aquitted of our wrongdoing up until the time we put our faith in Christ. BUT, if we break the law again (or certain laws perhaps), then we'll receive judgement and be condemned. This I strongly disagree with and am repulsed by, for it is by faith we aren't simply found "not guilty" BUT found to be righteous. We are righteous via faith in Christ. And this is better than any righteousness that we can attain via Law which to God is just like dirty mentrual rags.
Scripture is clear that when we put our faith in Christ, we pass from God's judgement according to the Law and will be/have even already been, declared righteous. We are still accountable to Christ for He is our Lord, our hope is in and through Him, we love Christ, trust in Him, Christ is our Lord and everything. It can only be so then that we'd want to please Christ. Yet, Christ is never disappointed by us, He knows us better than we do. Christ loves us regardless, like the prodigal son who returned to his father. Christ will never cast us out for failing. Nonetheless, we will still give an accounting to Christ, and God as such, but we will NOT be found guilty and condemned. We will NOT be found guilty for failing to keep the Law (or any particular law). That isn't how we are righteous, and we'll never by righteous by the Law (or any part of it). Rather, it is by faith righteousness is reckoned to us, Christ's righteousness. It was by faith righteousness was reckoned to Abraham and again by faith righteousness is reckoned to us.
6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justifyc the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ
, the righteousness from God that depends on faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith
in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Bav wrote:2. This is not the same point. You made a distinct claim and one that I'm hoping you can back up with scripture, not rationalizing through what you think it means to fulfill law.
Should I dismiss anything you say because you rationalise in the 10 commandments? Plenty of Scripture was provided, but communication is always going to involve reason. Don't be so ungracious to me and silly.
Bav wrote:3. When one drives the speed limit, they are fulfilling the law. To then fulfill the law does not mean the person is free to speed the next day without fear of being pulled over. It's just not logical.
We can never fulfil the law. Your example thus immediately falls apart.
Bav wrote:4. Jesus did fulfill the requirements of the Law...Jesus fulfills the requirements of the Law continually or else He would be a lawbreaker.
Agree, Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law. He always will, because metaphysically the Law is an outworking of God's attributes, in particular His righteousness. So God is the epitome of the Law, merely only needs to be God in order to fulfill the Law. Jesus is God. Ergo, requirements will always be met.
Bav wrote:But let's see what the verse about "nailing to the cross" actually says vs. what you have claimed it says; Colossians 2:13,14
And the other passages, which you've performed eisegesis upon with your "decalogue" rationalisation. Doctrine should never be had on one verse, and there is literally the whole New Testament (covenant) which supports me.
That said, I am glad you shine the light on Colossians, for I'm happy to delve into not mere english "translations" but the original language. I have to go but will respond more later.