Evidence for God from Science

Some would have us believe that the great fear and concerns over terrorism are misplaced and due to hype and fear-mongering. Do they READ the news?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/28 ... tcmp=hpbt1

Posted this on another thread and it fits here as well too.

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 3&start=45


...The problem of the left with such folks who post here demonstrate the ideological notion of moral relativism. Absolute moral standards in the mind of the left do not exist. All morality is relative. Moral absolutes are viewed as the enemy of freedom of expression and the cause of all oppression and bigotry. In other words, they are taught to teach themselves how to deny truth.

Truth does not matter to leftist because following a leftist world view narrative, to them, is the truth because morality is simply relative. The ends justify the means. Therefore the narrative becomes an absolute to them even if the narrative is error.

The narrative of the left is that the West and America is racist, and because of white privilege the world is person-centric phobic against minorities, the poor, those whose lifestyle promote death. That only thru their self imposed re-distributive ways will all find full expression of moral freedom and greatest happiness of kum ba yah. Therefore, according to the narrative of the left (based in part upon scapegoat theory) Christians and conservatives are viewed as backwards white privileged bigots who have caused all the world's woes, have all the money, and are true evil. All others are simply ofended folks seeking what is theirs because it was taken from them - oh boo - hoo pity...

The narrative goes on to define that any one who dares offends another is guilty of the greatest of crimes against humanity as this article points out:Harvard Student Shares Scary State of ‘Speech’ on Some College Campuses.

So the left lives by narratives. The narrative of the left is what defines truth of the moment to achevea political (ie total control) goal. It does not matter in the least that a US diplomat was murdered in Benghazi, the narrative of the no-offending policy is what is important.

An example of this happened when an obscure stupid video was blamed as the cause of Benghazi, not terrorism. it was because the video offended. To the left, it it does not matter if Stevenson was killed as well as the others. That is a simple matter of acceptable collateral damage so the narrative of the left is further legitimatized to destroy all who oppose the narrative for the greater good of humanity to achieve kum ba yah.

Because of this, Islam is not viewed as a hostile religion whose import is actual physical world domination under sharia law but rather a poor offended sect just expressing itself and in need of loving tolerance and entry into western countries to help expunge the intolerance bigots who oppose the narrative of the left.

The narrative of the left now includes that all terrorist attacks world wide means that Obama leftist world view policies prove that his admin's policies are working. Any death caused is merely acceptable collateral damage. Yet, at the same time, the narrative also suggest that because the west bombs and kill terrorist is ISIS controlled areas needs to stop so they will stop trying to take over the world.

In other words, the narrative is that the USA and the West is at fault and guilty of the crime of offending and thus needs to be fundamentally transformed. Fundamental transformation means that the USA and the West must become the polar opposite of greatness they once were - destroyed totally under the pretext that such fundamental transformation equals social justice. So terrorist are spanked a little with fully expectancy that they will learn to comply with the native of the left.

The narrative is all woes are because of white privilege, Islam-phobic, homophobic, conservatives, and Christians because they offend everyone is the cause of all problems in the world. That is new narrative definition of truth the left follows. In order to follow this narrative of truth the absolute truth must die midst the narrative of acceptable collateral damage:ISIS is not not an Existential (Real) Threat...

However, anyone who does not follow the narrative is...

Alethephobia of the left is simply amazing...
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Hey, you learned a word! Nice going.

Hey, you learned a word! Nice going.

And he applied it appropriately and accurately in using it, as well.

Philip wrote:Some would have us believe that the great fear and concerns over terrorism are misplaced and due to hype and fear-mongering. Do they READ the news?

I cherish those rare occasions when I say something here and someone responds rationally to what I actually said. Alas, that hasn't happened in a while. Take the above silliness, for example.

I said that ISIS wasn't an existential threat to the United States. Now lets look at those words. Existential threat - a threat to something's existence. The Soviet Union was an existential threat. China has the potential to be one, but isn't yet. But ISIS? A small, ragtag army on the other side of the world with no friends and many enemies? An existential threat to the United States? Gentlemen, I'm shocked that your fear of ISIS has overwhelmed your trust in American exceptionalism.

Now suddenly I'm the guy saying that ISIS is no big deal. Nope, I didn't say that. I said that they weren't an existential threat to the United States of America, and then you guys just went hog wild. You took what I said, then used all of that garbage you believe about progressives, and liberals, and atheists, and so forth to expand my position to include what you assumed I also believed.

And no, B.W. didn't use that word right. A few of the things that he said were probably true of some people, but this "left" that he's always railing against is just a caricature made up by pundits to sell ad time. His statement was another blanket accusation against that caricature because his worldview is so simplistic that he believes it's real.

edwardmurphy wrote:
And no, B.W. didn't use that word right. A few of the things that he said were probably true of some people, but this "left" that he's always railing against is just a caricature made up by pundits to sell ad time. His statement was another blanket accusation against that caricature because his worldview is so simplistic that he believes it's real.

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First off, all of your "evidence" comes from pundits who will happily twist the facts to make their point. Remember when the guy got arrested for holding a Bible study group in his house, you used it as evidence of anti-Christian persecution, and 5 minutes of research showed that the story was BS? How many other times has that happened? A dozen? How many of the stories that you just linked will end up being the same? (No worries, I'm not going to bother reading any of them).

Second, you're using anecdotes to show that a group of people are ridiculous buffoons without realizing that you, yourself, are terrific anecdotal evidence of what ridiculous buffoons conservative Christians can be. That's good stuff. If you understood irony you're be amused.

edwardmurphy wrote:First off, all of your "evidence" comes from pundits who will happily twist the facts to make their point. Remember when the guy got arrested for holding a Bible study group in his house, you used it as evidence of anti-Christian persecution, and 5 minutes of research showed that the story was BS? How many other times has that happened? A dozen? How many of the stories that you just linked will end up being the same? (No worries, I'm not going to bother reading any of them).

Second, you're using anecdotes to show that a group of people are ridiculous buffoons without realizing that you, yourself, are terrific anecdotal evidence of what ridiculous buffoons conservative Christians can be. That's good stuff. If you understood irony you're be amused.

Hi Ed, your hostile condensing tone, inability to reason, and constant use of ridicule/scorn and lack of respect for folks here on this thread has just earned you a well deserved ban for a few days...
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As for the man arrested for having a bible study, it did happen and not a hoax

http://www.christianpost.com/news/city- ... ase-78153/

The city cited and listed it a church, used zoning laws, and fined the man so folks can claim it was a hoax that he was not arrested but rather cited and fined for breaking the law - what?

Let's get back on topic...

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Then this...

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B. W. wrote:As for the man arrested for having a bible study, it did happen and not a hoax

http://www.christianpost.com/news/city- ... ase-78153/

The city cited and listed it a church, used zoning laws, and fined the man so folks can claim it was a hoax that he was not arrested but rather cited and fined for breaking the law - what?

I recall discussing this a while back. This is not religious persecution. It's a man trying to take advantage of the laws.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/michael- ... 77943.html
He claims his property is not a church. Yet, he has has tax-exempt status because it's a church. He got a permit for a game room. That permit prohibited church gatherings. But he still had gatherings. Neighbors constantly complained about the noise and traffic.

RickD wrote:

B. W. wrote:As for the man arrested for having a bible study, it did happen and not a hoax

http://www.christianpost.com/news/city- ... ase-78153/

The city cited and listed it a church, used zoning laws, and fined the man so folks can claim it was a hoax that he was not arrested but rather cited and fined for breaking the law - what?

I recall discussing this a while back. This is not religious persecution. It's a man trying to take advantage of the laws.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/michael- ... 77943.html
He claims his property is not a church. Yet, he has has tax-exempt status because it's a church. He got a permit for a game room. That permit prohibited church gatherings. But he still had gatherings. Neighbors constantly complained about the noise and traffic.

I am not sure if I am making myself clear.

It is the use of laws that sets a precedent so that one can use as a future guide to be built off of further in future subsequent legal circumstances. Therefore it does not matter what the man did or not do. It is the law being used in a manner to set forth a legal structural precedent for future cases. That is how it works in the judicial system.

From this one case, other plaintiffs will use this to build further laws off of in a slow steady manner that does not raise much alarm at first; however, later it's too late.

I seen this in action before growing up in Virginia against people of color. The case mentioned is a perfect example of the tactic of setting up a legal precedent. Much the same way folks are going after Christian businesses and soon pastors in Georgia.

At first the mocking comes like this: "Oh this is crazy talk, no one will sue a pastor for not marrying a gay couple, never happen. Oh, it will never happen that Gay activist will sue christian business owners because gays are so loving and caring blah blah etc and etc." Or as in this case, "Bryan is crazy talking, the guy was breaking the law, making too much noise, too much traffic, etc." However, on Superbowl night no one really complains about the traffic or loud parties in privet homes or the Hispanic get together to honor their daughters coming of age.

If this guy is so guilty then it must be applied equally in all cases - no Superbowl parties, game night, no card games, no family reunions on privet property can be allowed. However, the precedence of law will not be used like that, instead it will be used selectively upon a target group.

This all starts with folks mocking and scoffing setting forth favorable public opinion narrative to accept the motive of revenge for a new type of discrimination to happen all built upon case law.

This is the issue I am seeing and that ED refuses to see due to narrative and the same as do many Christians themselves.

Like I said, most folks here have not gone through this, nor experienced it. It is happening again, and one can hide their head in the sand joining the narrative or attempt to speak out to stop it before it goes to far.

So this will be the response to me by those like ed - will be ridicule, mocking, brow beating. Some Christians will join in too not understanding how the left uses the law to build precedence off of for future cases. People will jpoin in the mocking and say there is no discrimination in the USA against Christianity compared to Middle east for example. This line of reason does not account for how discrimination begins by case law, one law at a time, slow steady steps. This is due t being ignorant of the past and of the leftist narrative(s)...

Now look at the FFRP and other organizations (ACLU. ec...) legal fights against Christians and the use of laws to build more laws off off by precedence. Study it, look into the tactics used, and the results and how these results affected other cases. Just the mere fact this type of thing is going on is clear evidence that discrimination is in the beginning stages by seeking case law to build off of. If there was none hen why did the IRS go after Franklin Graham and others?

Laws will eventually affect the rest of a population but before they do, the users of laws seek a specific target to build more laws later on.

I hope I have made myself clearer on this...

Blessings Rick...
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If this guy is so guilty then it must be applied equally in all cases - no Superbowl parties, game night, no card games, no family reunions on privet property can be allowed. However, the precedence of law will not be used like that, instead it will be used selectively upon a target group.

B. W.,

People having Super Bowl parties, card games, and family reunions, don't normally make their houses into churches, claim tax-exempt status to avoid paying taxes, and then claim it's not a church when churches have to abide by certain safety codes, in order to maintain church status. Nor do most people who have Super Bowl parties, card games, and family reunions, get a permit for a building on their property, then use the building for something prohibited by the permit.

I think if you actually do some research on this particular case, you'll see this man deserved to go to jail. And, you'd also see the guy was arrested for fraud as well:
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/201 ... for-fraud/

RickD wrote:

If this guy is so guilty then it must be applied equally in all cases - no Superbowl parties, game night, no card games, no family reunions on privet property can be allowed. However, the precedence of law will not be used like that, instead it will be used selectively upon a target group.

B. W.,

People having Super Bowl parties, card games, and family reunions, don't normally make their houses into churches, claim tax-exempt status to avoid paying taxes, and then claim it's not a church when churches have to abide by certain safety codes, in order to maintain church status. Nor do most people who have Super Bowl parties, card games, and family reunions, get a permit for a building on their property, then use the building for something prohibited by the permit.

I think if you actually do some research on this particular case, you'll see this man deserved to go to jail. And, you'd also see the guy was arrested for fraud as well:
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/201 ... for-fraud/

Such parties clog the street and make noise. Passed one such Saturday. There was a bonfire involved. Nothing done from the the authorities. There were over one hundred college age kids. Maybe tings are different in Florida. Hold a bible study, park a few cars with less people in my town and the sparks fly if the wrong folks find out. And you don't make noise or drink nor talk loudly in the back yard either and it is shut down as a nuance.

Rick, with the climate today of building off of laws to make case laws to build more laws off of is what one needs to consider. That was my point and it still stands. You go after bad apples first and then the laws are later used to go after decent folks much later on.

That is how it works - THAT IS MY POINT - not sure why folks can't see this? It is how laws are manipulated - THAT IS THE POINT - so it is up to folks to prove that laws are not built upon and later manipulated to bash Christianity.

I do not care how obnoxious or quiet or a fraud this guy was. That is not the point. The point is existing laws now have further laws enforced to build more laws off off. That is how the left works. Go after jerks first then so average Joe believer joins in so that later on the average Joe does not feel the water in the pot they are in coming to a boil.

note: Eph 5:11 and Ezekiel 33:8, 9

Please look at this article:

Lawyer Has a Message for Critics Who Claim That ‘God’s Not Dead 2′ Persecution Plot Is Far-Fetched. Plus, He Delivers a Dire Warning.

Next, if laws are not being used to make more laws to justify subtle forms of persecution or silencing then why does the FFRP and similar organizations constantly go after use of laws to silence Christian expression.

Let's look at the fruit:

Ten Commandment erased from Public schools and courthouse..

What is the state of public education today?

Why metal detectors in schools and such student disrespect of teachers?

What dumbing down of america populace occurred that folks now accept minorities still living in ghettos, their own families fracturing, and crime as normative?

Are the US Courts becoming more politically motivated and government growing more corrupt or not?

Since the FFRP and similar organizations having begun their legal efforts - how goes it the USA - is it improving or going down hill..

Are people becoming kinder and gentler or More hostile and crazy since the Ten C's are considered oppressive and vulgar and in need of being replaced by the noble genteelness that secularism produces - where is that???

Proof is in the pudding as they say.

2 Timothy 3:1,2,3,4
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