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[Mastermind]

Try not to be next time, okay?

hmpf

Where did I say that?

First of all, the OT laws were given to the JEWS. This country isn't jewish and neither am I.

I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

About two percent of this country's Jewish, and not every American is a Christian, so our laws shouldn't just be geared toward Christians.
You're suggesting that the OT laws have no significance today, but they do. Some of them have moral fiber, which we can learn from.

I think I'm gonna stone myself a sabbath worker. I never said the OT laws have no significance. I said they have no power. A law is composed of sin and conviction. Without conviction the law is finished and all that remains is sin.

[ochotseat]

I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

First, you stated that the OT laws have no bearing, since they were intended for Jews, which would infer that the 10 Commandments are meaningless and powerless.
Second, this country may be Christian in the sense that the overwhelming majority is Christian, but we still have religious freedom. The Constitution dictates that there should be no established religion whether it's Christianity or whatnot.

I think I'm gonna stone myself a sabbath worker. I never said the OT laws have no significance. I said they have no power. A law is composed of sin and conviction. Without conviction the law is finished and all that remains is sin.

Laws are based on practical morality, which is why some OT laws are still applicable today.
And your death penalty post was wrong.

[Mastermind]

I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

First, you stated that the OT laws have no bearing, since they were intended for Jews, which would infer that the 10 Commandments are meaningless and powerless.

Thank you for clarifying my position for me... NOT! God, I'm talking to a brick.

Second, this country may be Christian in the sense that the overwhelming majority is Christian, but we still have religious freedom. The Constitution dictates that there should be no established religion whether it's Christianity or whatnot.

Hey, you're trying to stick Jewish law into it and you're telling me not to stick Christian law? I hope you enjoy having america turn into an atheist theocracy.

Laws are based on practical morality, which is why some OT laws are still applicable today.

You still can't tell the difference between sin and law.

And your death penalty post was wrong.

Well gee if you say so I'll go repent right now.

[ochotseat]

The OT laws no longer apply August.

That means you feel the 10 Commandments no longer apply.
Those were your own words, so stop trying to deny what you said.

God, I'm talking to a brick.

Find new friends then.

Hey, you're trying to stick Jewish law into it and you're telling me not to stick Christian law?

Things like murder being a crime are universal, not just Jewish law.

I hope you enjoy having america turn into an atheist theocracy.

It never will be unless God wills it. Our governmental guiding document is the Constitution as it should be.

You still can't tell the difference between sin and law.
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That's why our laws were designed to legislate morality. Got it?

Well gee if you say so I'll go repent right now.

That's why you haven't revisited the thread.

[kateliz]

Okay, let me say this once and for all... I never said we needed more gun control laws. I said we need more gun control. Those indeed are different things. Control on guns. Not gun control laws. I don't know the laws out there right now, but I know that there is lack of control. I do know that the current laws are being broken, and that the breaking of those laws promotes incorrect use of guns. Therefore I support more enforcement of the current laws. I cannot say we need more laws because I do not know the current ones.

Got it?!?! Now please, don't put words in my mouth and try to attack me for it!

Ochotseat, I have a question for you: are you a legalist? It seems like just about everything you say comes back to legalism. Maybe that is part of why you're butting heads with so many people here.

[ochotseat]

Control on guns. Not gun control laws. I don't know the laws out there right now, but I know that there is lack of control. I do know that the current laws are being broken, and that the breaking of those laws promotes incorrect use of guns.

That's what I've been telling you, but you only tried to disagree for the sake of being devil's advocate.

What do you propose as gun control? You didn't expand on that. As of now, gun control isn't out of control, and you can't always make people do what they're supposed to do.

Ochotseat, I have a question for you: are you a legalist? It seems like just about everything you say comes back to legalism. Maybe that is part of why you're butting heads with so many people here.

You don't think a good Christian should aspire to be a legalist?

[Mastermind]

The OT laws no longer apply August.

That means you feel the 10 Commandments no longer apply.
Those were your own words, so stop trying to deny what you said.

No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter.

Things like murder being a crime are universal, not just Jewish law.

Tell Hitler that.

It never will be unless God wills it. Our governmental guiding document is the Constitution as it should be.

You a Calvinist too?

That's why our laws were designed to legislate morality. Got it?

No.

That's why you haven't revisited the thread.

I haven't revisited the thread because I forgot about it and because I don't come here very often anymore.

[Prodigal Son]

ocho,

no, i care about God's laws. i have less respect for the laws of man. YOU have no respect for the more important of the two.

[Forge]

Tell Hitler that.

and Pol Pot, and Stalin, and Mao, and Manson, and...

[ochotseat]

No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter..

Most Christians respect them, so you may be alone in that thought.

Tell Hitler that.

Unrelated point.

You a Calvinist too?

You a Catholic too?

No.

Read again.

I haven't revisited the thread because I forgot about it and because I don't come here very often anymore.

Yet, you post daily.

[ochotseat]

ocho,
no, i care about God's laws.
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Our laws are based on God's laws, so stop making sad excuses.

i have less respect for the laws of man.
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Why aren't you breaking our laws then? Too scared?

YOU have no respect for the more important of the two.

Yawn.
We are a republic, not a theocracy modeled after your personal beliefs.

[Mastermind]

No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter..

Most Christians respect them, so you may be alone in that thought.

Most Christians go to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath so no.

Unrelated point.

Very related. You said murder is universally wrong. It isn't.

You a Catholic too?

What does this have to do with my question? And no, I'm not.

Read again.

Our laws legislate abortion. That is not God's will.

Yet, you post daily.

No, I don't...

[ochotseat]

Most Christians go to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath so no.
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You're now claiming that most Christians don't care about the 10 Commandments?

Very related. You said murder is universally wrong. It isn't.
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You don't seem to know the difference between murdering and killing.

What does this have to do with my question? And no, I'm not.
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If you think that way, then don't ask if I believe in Protestant doctrine.

Our laws legislate abortion. That is not God's will.
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Depends how developed the unborn baby is and if the mother's life is in danger.

No, I don't...

Don't lie. We've all seen it.

[Prodigal Son]

ocho:

i'm not making any excuses, ocho. nor do i pretend that our society could ever revolve around my ideals.

i've been thinking about why i dislike the death penalty so much. some reasons: it is premeditated. like murder. like revenge. it's different than self-defense (a more immediate retaliation); or a "crime of passion." it is loaded with malice and a lack of compassion. there is no love in it whatsoever.

if you are going to attack me, i'd prefer you didn't answer.

[ochotseat]

ocho:

i'm not making any excuses, ocho. nor do i pretend that our society could ever revolve around my ideals.

i've been thinking about why i dislike the death penalty so much. some reasons: it is premeditated. like murder. like revenge. it's different than self-defense (a more immediate retaliation); or a "crime of passion." it is loaded with malice and a lack of compassion. there is no love in it whatsoever.

if you are going to attack me, i'd prefer you didn't answer.

You need to see the death penalty thread again to know that the death penalty's lawful and acceptable.