Re: Israel vs. Hamas and Dubious, Naive Viewpoints
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:13 pm
One side uses civs because they like to and the other kills them because they have to. And presumably the latter is right. Well whats the difference? both of them have innocent blood on their hands.You must be living in Shangri-la...there is no such thing as a war that spares civilians! As an American General (whose name I forget) said, ''War is hell.'' War is hell for all involved and that hell is what makes normal & sane people want to avoid it. The population of Gaza knowingly elected a terrorist entity that refuses to recognize the existence of the Jewish state, and they are now suffering the consequences of their choice. Of course, they can't remove their government but they should have known that beforehand. Had they elected Fatah - the party of theives and hypocrites that govern the ''West Bank'', at least they would have the possibility of living under better conditions.
People like Ban Ki-moon, John Kerry and others who push for repeated ceasefires are actually exacerbating the situation. When a hostile entity threatens a peaceful nation, that entity must be destroyed. When Osama bin Laden and his group attacked the USA, they were hunted down. When the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, they were eliminated. When Carthage attacked Rome, it was flattened. Such is the way things must be: a cancer is excised from a body, it is not negotiated with.
I was in New York City a while ago and I kept seeing a remarkable sight: Muslim men in djellabas would rush to a clear place on the sidewalk, spread out a little prayer mat, crouch down and say their prayers. In public! in full view of the throngs of people walking by! I don't doubt their sincerity but you and I both know that God doesn't listen to these poor guys. Now, I don't doubt your sincerity insofar as civilian deaths are concerned, but I know that you are unable to identify the responsible party of the present conflict, and that you are naïve in your understanding of the hell that is war.
Fl, you know I used to say what you and some others are saying here. I was quite firm actually but the day my country started getting droned and innocent people started dying, old, young, women, children, my eyes opened and I have a hunch that the day your people started dying because of some other country bombing you, your eyes would open to.
I am sorry that we disagree on this but I have my own experience of it, you think its incomplete, naive or plain silly but its my experience. May be yours is different but then again you don't live in a country which gets droned, mortared or bombed. Your experience is different.
What Israel is doing in Palestine, it can do in Iran and Pakistan too, probably will someday. But do you live in Gaza, Iran or Pakistan? It could be my family someday who could die in a "holy self defense" strike.
So while I am sure your logic is sincere, my friend, you fortunately have nothing to fear. My existence and my circumstances are different and it has made me think and consider things deeply so don't mind me if I fear such brutality...and its justifications from those who really have no danger of losing anything.
I really think now that you guys say what you say because you have not experienced it. I can't change your pov. I only hope you understand that nothing justifies the loss of innocent blood.
As long as civilians die, as long as children are murdered, I can't say either side is right and I don't have to. They are people fighting over land and dust. They hate each other.