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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Mariolee » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:56 pm

jlay wrote:
And why do Christians protest homosexuality so much, It is literally mentioned 1 time in the new testament (correct me if I’m wrong), why do we not protest liars, thieves. and divorcees as much as them? I mean divorce is mentioned many times in the new testament but yet their are no extreme christrian churches who dominantly protest divorce
I think the 'why' is an easy answer.
If there was a group that had pro-adulterer marches, and wanted to pass legislation that gave special recognition and protection to adulterers, do you think Christians would object, and even protest?

The outcry is a reaction, and yet somehow this obvious reality is often missed. How much of an outcry do you think there would be if there was no effort to legislate the teaching of homosexuality as an accepted and normal lifestyle, and that homosexuals can marry and be afforded the same recognition as traditional couples? Very little.

If you keep your lifestyle private, how many times will your neighbors object?
Now, start planting large signs stating your opinions at the border of your neighbors property and see how long it takes to get a reaction.
It goes both ways jlay (pun not intended). Our outcry is a result of their outcry is a result of someone else's outcry. Well, not really outcry, but it's sure loud like one.What I mean to say it homosexual people have been bullied and exiled and shunned. And it hurts, it hurts a lot. Some have even tried to turn heterosexual because of it (and "fail"), and some have even killed themselves. They've hidden that anger inside until now, because now we live in a time where people are saying "It's OK to be gay", they are letting it all out in a flurry of passion. They are having gay pride parades and gay days as a way to kinda say "Hey, remember me? The kid you bullied because I was gay. Well, look at me now!"

Not that I agree with it, but they're just finally happy that they're being accepted, and are taking FULL advantage over that.
How do some people mess up a message about "love" and "forgiveness" so much?!

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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:48 am

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Homosexuals very rarley were beaten just because of their homosexuality, it is because they acted vile towards others that promted physical action against them. While I am in no way justifying what these people did, it is still interesting to hear why they did it.

Take that case in california where 30 years ago a homosexual was beaten to death by 3 male students. Do you know what they said as an excuse? They said the homosexual tryed to kiss them hug them and rub up against them; now while their reaction is extremly wrong and unjustified, it should be noticed that they did not kill him simply because of his homosexuality. If he had simply stayed private about it, im 100% sure those 3 boys would not have killed him.

Look into many of these bullying cases against homosexuals, most of it is a (unjustified) reaction to offencive homosexual behavior.

Another example, in my school last year two boys were kissing and then started walking down the hallway, then a boy walked in between them while they were holding hands. Now, in my school affection between girls and boys are not allowed as it may offend others, but for some reason the administration does not act on homosexual action, so this boy who walked in between them ended up almost being charged with sexual harrassment and ahate crime or something.
But notice how they homosexual was acting, its like he was begging for a responce from somebody. They know that two boys kissing might offend others, but they could care less.


Just simply look how homosexuals behave, most of them, even dating back to the 60's. acted extreme and vile to try to attract attention to feel special, and as we all know, some attention is not good.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:48 am

@Mariolee


Homosexuals very rarley were beaten just because of their homosexuality, it is because they acted vile towards others that promted physical action against them. While I am in no way justifying what these people did, it is still interesting to hear why they did it.

Take that case in california where 30 years ago a homosexual was beaten to death by 3 male students. Do you know what they said as an excuse? They said the homosexual tryed to kiss them hug them and rub up against them; now while their reaction is extremly wrong and unjustified, it should be noticed that they did not kill him simply because of his homosexuality. If he had simply stayed private about it, im 100% sure those 3 boys would not have killed him.

Look into many of these bullying cases against homosexuals, most of it is a (unjustified) reaction to offencive homosexual behavior.

Another example, in my school last year two boys were kissing and then started walking down the hallway, then a boy walked in between them while they were holding hands. Now, in my school affection between girls and boys are not allowed as it may offend others, but for some reason the administration does not act on homosexual action, so this boy who walked in between them ended up almost being charged with sexual harrassment and ahate crime or something.
But notice how they homosexual was acting, its like he was begging for a responce from somebody. They know that two boys kissing might offend others, but they could care less.


Just simply look how homosexuals behave, most of them, even dating back to the 60's. acted extreme and vile to try to attract attention to feel special, and as we all know, some attention is not good.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by jlay » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:50 am

That reminds me of a friend of mine. In highschool he would put on make-up, tease his hair, and then go to the mall where he would flaunt his stylings (blow kisses) to the biggest rednecks he could find.

John was actually a good friend of mine. He never acted that way in private. In fact, I never saw him even flirt with another guy in a private setting. I even doubted that he was really homosexual and that this was some sort of rebellious act, till his sister showed me his stash of gay porn. But he had some bent to antagonize in public. I'm still amazed that he wasn't beaten to a pulp.

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I don't doubt that these types of expressions are a reaction to the fact that the homosexual lifestyle is not generally accepted. The bottom line is that a homosexual lifestyle is morally wrong. Period, end of story.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by DannyM » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:53 am

jlay wrote:That reminds me of a friend of mine. In highschool he would put on make-up, tease his hair, and then go to the mall where he would flaunt his stylings (blow kisses) to the biggest rednecks he could find.

I'm still amazed that he wasn't beaten to a pulp.
Ha-ha - that's some brave homosexual there, J!!
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:11 am

DannyM wrote:
jlay wrote:That reminds me of a friend of mine. In highschool he would put on make-up, tease his hair, and then go to the mall where he would flaunt his stylings (blow kisses) to the biggest rednecks he could find.

I'm still amazed that he wasn't beaten to a pulp.


That's pretty extreme :lol:
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by KravMagaSelfDefense » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:52 pm

Seraph wrote:Guess I'm not the best person to give an answer since I'm of the belief that we did evolve from animals, and that homosexuality is NOT a choice. :P
I didn't know that... that you were an theistic evolutionist. I'm just wondering, I've always wanted to ask for evidence for that theory but sometimes I don't want to get into a battle with a cyber-troll who does nothing but call Creationism deluded. So Christian to Christian here, what evidence do you personally see for the consistency of Darwin's theory?

One more thing... you said that homosexuality is NOT a choice... do you mean the sexual orientation, or the sexual actions? Because the sexual actions are certainly a choice. Even though the orientation might not be, don't you think people still have a choice whether or not to pursue it...? It's not as if they're robots who can't control their bodies. But that's granting the premise that homosexual orientation IS inherent in some people... which I haven't really seen much evidence for... how does evolution relate to homosexuality not being a choice, though?

One last question. How does evolution explain homosexuality?
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by SnowDrops » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:36 pm

KravMagaSelfDefense wrote:
Seraph wrote:Guess I'm not the best person to give an answer since I'm of the belief that we did evolve from animals, and that homosexuality is NOT a choice. :P
I didn't know that... that you were an theistic evolutionist. I'm just wondering, I've always wanted to ask for evidence for that theory but sometimes I don't want to get into a battle with a cyber-troll who does nothing but call Creationism deluded. So Christian to Christian here, what evidence do you personally see for the consistency of Darwin's theory?

One more thing... you said that homosexuality is NOT a choice... do you mean the sexual orientation, or the sexual actions? Because the sexual actions are certainly a choice. Even though the orientation might not be, don't you think people still have a choice whether or not to pursue it...? It's not as if they're robots who can't control their bodies. But that's granting the premise that homosexual orientation IS inherent in some people... which I haven't really seen much evidence for... how does evolution relate to homosexuality not being a choice, though?

One last question. How does evolution explain homosexuality?
Perhaps we should say: How does evolution explain sexuality at all?
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:06 am

SnowDrops wrote:
KravMagaSelfDefense wrote:
Seraph wrote:Guess I'm not the best person to give an answer since I'm of the belief that we did evolve from animals, and that homosexuality is NOT a choice. :P
I didn't know that... that you were an theistic evolutionist. I'm just wondering, I've always wanted to ask for evidence for that theory but sometimes I don't want to get into a battle with a cyber-troll who does nothing but call Creationism deluded. So Christian to Christian here, what evidence do you personally see for the consistency of Darwin's theory?

One more thing... you said that homosexuality is NOT a choice... do you mean the sexual orientation, or the sexual actions? Because the sexual actions are certainly a choice. Even though the orientation might not be, don't you think people still have a choice whether or not to pursue it...? It's not as if they're robots who can't control their bodies. But that's granting the premise that homosexual orientation IS inherent in some people... which I haven't really seen much evidence for... how does evolution relate to homosexuality not being a choice, though?

One last question. How does evolution explain homosexuality?
Perhaps we should say: How does evolution explain sexuality at all?
If you look at it from a evolution view, we should have been "programed by evolution" to mate and reproduce. Homosexual sex does neither, it only increases your chance of STD's.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by KravMagaSelfDefense » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:36 am

SnowDrops wrote:
KravMagaSelfDefense wrote:
Seraph wrote:Guess I'm not the best person to give an answer since I'm of the belief that we did evolve from animals, and that homosexuality is NOT a choice. :P
I didn't know that... that you were an theistic evolutionist. I'm just wondering, I've always wanted to ask for evidence for that theory but sometimes I don't want to get into a battle with a cyber-troll who does nothing but call Creationism deluded. So Christian to Christian here, what evidence do you personally see for the consistency of Darwin's theory?

One more thing... you said that homosexuality is NOT a choice... do you mean the sexual orientation, or the sexual actions? Because the sexual actions are certainly a choice. Even though the orientation might not be, don't you think people still have a choice whether or not to pursue it...? It's not as if they're robots who can't control their bodies. But that's granting the premise that homosexual orientation IS inherent in some people... which I haven't really seen much evidence for... how does evolution relate to homosexuality not being a choice, though?

One last question. How does evolution explain homosexuality?
Perhaps we should say: How does evolution explain sexuality at all?
Well heterosexuality is easily explained through evolution, basically primates who are able to pass on their traits to descendants will have a greater effect on the gene pool, thereby having genetic success... and so primates with the drive to mate with others of the opposite gender are eventually the only ones left, because the ones who don't have this drive, which we call heterosexuality, don't mate and thereby don't have any descendants to survive.

My question was how did homosexuality evolve in primates, it doesn't make any sense to me because according to Darwin's theory, every trait or action evolving in a primate has to have some sort of survival benefit, otherwise, natural selection quickly eradicates it. But what survival benefit did homosexuality present, in order for it to evolve? In fact, homosexuality leads to many terminal illnesses, sexual illnesses which, it would seem, would eradicate the homosexual population from the Darwinian running in short order.
That leaves the question, why are there homosexuals today? I think the Fall of Man is a better explanation than is evolution.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:41 am

^ I agree with you but just to play the devils advocate, how do you explain homosexuality in monkeys?
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by KravMagaSelfDefense » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:54 am

Murray wrote:^ I agree with you but just to play the devils advocate, how do you explain homosexuality in monkeys?
I can't. I'm not an evolutionist.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by SnowDrops » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:03 pm

I don't think "homosexual" activity in animals actually comes from any sexual attraction. That is, what we would think is homosexual behavior often turns out to be other things that we have no idea about (rituals, general communication, etc.) . We simply think of why we would do something and assume that animals think the same way.
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by RickD » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:25 pm

Murray wrote:^ I agree with you but just to play the devils advocate, how do you explain homosexuality in monkeys?
Guys, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Homosexuality, by definition, only pertains to humans. Look it up in any dictionary. :beat:
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Re: Homosexuality

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Post by Murray » Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:38 pm

RickD wrote:
Murray wrote:^ I agree with you but just to play the devils advocate, how do you explain homosexuality in monkeys?
Guys, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Homosexuality, by definition, only pertains to humans. Look it up in any dictionary. :beat:

I guess that makes sence, we never hear about hetrosexual monkeys :lol:
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