Then in Christian spirit, I suppose I would find myself in your prayers, bro.I am of course making a judgment call in that you are flying in the face of Paul's teaching about what brings our salvation; this is rather inescapable.
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Then in Christian spirit, I suppose I would find myself in your prayers, bro.I am of course making a judgment call in that you are flying in the face of Paul's teaching about what brings our salvation; this is rather inescapable.
And who has done this? I suppose you think that you have?zacchaeus wrote:Just Read Scripture The Living WORD, if you do that, well then you can never fail!!! The Word speaks for itself. Again, its not up to me what I think or what you think, or even if you agree what I think. As long as we follow, obey, and are obedient to the word of GOD and don't go against it then we are okay....
So, this means salvation? A common error. That is equivocating Kingdom of Heaven as salvation."Will NOT Inherit The Kingdom Of Heaven"!!!
That is not what repentance means. That is a definition ascribed by man. The bible even says that God repented.But if I continue and without repentance, which literally means to turn away from and never do again
It is apparent that you do not know what the word 'divide' means.Bottom line, though today's bible surfer in lazy in knowledge and ignorant, we must study our own selves approved "rightly dividing the word of TRUTH"!!! (2 Tim 2:15)
But that is exactly what the bible does. If the gospel is the same, then please explain why we have an apostle Paul? Why did Paul instruct Timothy to "divide?" Jesus had already called 12 and charged them with what to do. Yet, they don't do it. Why? Explain why Paul describes his own gospel, and that he was entrusted by Christ to deliver it? Why does he say it was a mystery 'hidden' from ALL the prophets? Does that sound like the same thing to you?neo-x wrote:I'm sorry but the Gospel is for the Jew and Gentile alike, you are separating it and that is why we cannot agree.
Paul felt the same way.MarcusOfLycia wrote:I'm sorry if anyone thinks I'm aggressive in this, but I won't apologize for being passionate. I truly consider the idea that someone can walk away from God to be a doctrine from hell, and I think the whole concept is used far too often to justify behavior instead of adhere to Scripture.
I'm glad somebody did.neo-x wrote:but then this would apply to all history, even the reformation (since it did judge the catholic doctrine to be in error)....by Canuckster1127 on Mon May 02, 2011 9:23 am
It must be a great comfort to God to know when the time comes for Him to assume the Judgement seat that so many will have been there in advance, keeping it warm for Him .....
I did get your point however.
Speaking personally. I have sinned. Then felt deep contrition. And, sadly did it again. I've also experience victory over sin. I've delt with a number of addicts who have deeper contrition than you or I can imagine, yet are often overwhelmed by temptation to return to their vice. We should turn from our sin, and never do it again. Amen. You won't get any argument from me on that. But that really isn't the question. You are implying that this is what repentence constitutes. A good example? We'll you gave it. You said,Do you think one whom repents and shortly after commits the same sin he repented for, really actually had a change of mind or that he really was truly remorseful, or that he even changed his life??? Please note with the utmost respect that this question at its best is rhetorical on the highest level!!! If your earnest about your remorse and are truly and deeply sorry about sin, then you would turn away from it and never do it again;
I guess you repented.I'm done with my thread of posts, at least for now
Sorry my friend. But you are not even applying the word 'divide' in the correct sense.See how I just rightly divided the word, brother... Maybe you do divide the word rightly; just not on this one in which you erroneously "used" GODs word unjustly and bias to your point of view and limit of knowledge only to try and prove your point even if it was wrong. Now that is quite
First. It would be foolish of me to answer, becauwe I would have to conceed to using a definition of repent, that I think there is good evidence to reject.Do you think one whom repents and shortly after commits the same sin he repented for, really actually had a change of mind or that he really was truly remorseful
Surely you are familiar with the septuagint? It was likely the scriptures used by Paul and the early church. These Hebrew scholars translated the word, "nacham" from the Hebrew to 'Metaneo' in the Greek. Are you saying that you have a better understanding of the Hebrew and the Greek, than they?Strong's H5162 - nacham (repent) This word is used Where you say God repented, which means...
-To the contrary, I think you greatly misunderstand what I am saying. I am saying that if you are holding to the 2nd part of the strong's definition, or the dictionary definition of repent, then you are greatly misunderstanding.God didn't repent in the way you would like to think He did, He repented and had compassion.
We repent because of our sorrow of sin, we are to change our mind, sounds a lot like renewing our mind, not conforming but transforming, and becoming a new creature. Its quite impossible to become a new creature and then go back to the same very thing in whence you were delivered from and brought out of...
A lot of people sin knowingly, and hate the fact that they've sinned. Whenever I sin, I feel that same way. I hope we all do.I'm not sure who said this but someone in an earlier post said something to the extent of why would someone want to go back after haven tasted the glory of God, making the implication that after tasting its impossible to loose salvation.
So enlighten us. What is the unpardonable sin?What about the unpardonable sin, blaspheme against the Holy Spirit? To whom do you think this warning in scripture is to?
Sure. (2 Cor. 7:10) And, again, context is everything? Godly sorrow will lead to a change of mind. But is it the exclusive thing that leads to genuine repentance in all cases?We repent because of our sorrow of sin,
The Spirit has the authority more so then myself. The trinity is the ultimate Headship and if I'm doing what I'm led then I'm just being obedient
lol...I think you have decided very well in your mind to try and prove your point by whatever means possible (to the point of mentioning Gal 1:8) and so any answers would be irrelevant. By the way just making statements and Judging others doesn't make you right, by default. And I think now your stance actually is pure, strict, absolute Calvinism. Anyways, You failed to prove your argument, all you did was assert your POV, that is all. Your argument was never complete and you never answered the questions earlier presented that would prove otherwise. Thinking only you understand the scripture better than others and there is no way any other could make sense is quite childish if not foolish. For me this topic is finished as it is not fruitful anymore, as Bart said, it lacks humility now, it is just blaming and accusation of heresy, (doctrine from hell and he is to be accursed ) lol and things like that. I would like to save you more Judgement, so you do not have to reply to this, cuz either it will be a cover up or just more assertion to prove your pov, which in both cases, fail to inspire. I hold no offense, God bless you.But that is exactly what the bible does. If the gospel is the same, then please explain why we have an apostle Paul? Why did Paul instruct Timothy to "divide?" Jesus had already called 12 and charged them with what to do. Yet, they don't do it. Why? Explain why Paul describes his own gospel, and that he was entrusted by Christ to deliver it? Why does he say it was a mystery 'hidden' from ALL the prophets? Does that sound like the same thing to you?
I'd like you to find one scripture where Jesus preaches faith in His death, burial, and resurrection as the Gospel of the Kingdom. SOM? Nope. Yet we are told over and over that the gospel of the 'KINGDOM" was preached by John and Jesus. It is very obvious by the disciples reaction that none of them knew this, or they would have been waiting outside the tomb. Of course Jesus is central in the Gospel to Israel, that being the restoration of the Kingdom. And of course our Gospel of grace which is to all who would believe.
MarcusOfLycia wrote:
I'm sorry if anyone thinks I'm aggressive in this, but I won't apologize for being passionate. I truly consider the idea that someone can walk away from God to be a doctrine from hell, and I think the whole concept is used far too often to justify behavior instead of adhere to Scripture.
Paul felt the same way.
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"
Gal 1:8
Acts 5:1-11 NIVneo-x wrote:Can you please explain what happened? And please do not say that they never had true faith in the first place, you do not know that.Yes a believer can sin his way out of salvation.Some people God just didn't forgive, And some of those examples I even quoted in my previous posts including Annais and saphira, they were Christians and they were believers, they lied (which is not something exclusive to non-Christians ). Well, they lied to the Lord, don't Christians today do that? do you think the penalty should have been death? because by what you are saying clearly implies that they had salvation and they should have been pardoned, at best they could have been given a chance to repent. Doesn't their salvation has any bearing on the way they were punished? Why didn't salvation saved them?
the salvation didn't do any good to them. did it?
Of course, brother Neo!neo-x wrote:Then in Christian spirit, I suppose I would find myself in your prayers, bro.I am of course making a judgment call in that you are flying in the face of Paul's teaching about what brings our salvation; this is rather inescapable.
Thank you for your reply, Danny. Appreciate it a lot. I am not disappointed in the sense that you differ from me, that for me is respectable, Bro. I am actually disappointed by how this whole argument was pulled from a decent discussion to an outright personal level "only what I say is right" kind of useless arguing. I do hope we all avoid it in future. God bless you too and thanx for remembering me in your prayers.What then killed Ananias and Sapphira? I'd say that they had no revelation of Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour and they had therefore no sense of forgiveness of sins or redemption, reconciliation, God's mercy and God's grace. Sorry if that disappoints you, but it is my take on it. It is likely that fear killed Ananias and Sapphira, a fear born of their sin and hightened by their ignorance of God. Jesus talks about men's hearts failing them from "fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth." Luke 21:26.