Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?

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Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?

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I was looking up a guy called Norm Franz. I found him when I was looking at links on the web regarding the financial crisis and end times. I was starting to think there was something not right about his teachings and then came across an article warning about mammon or rather the love of it. This article is dated November 1996 and this bit really interested me:

''FINANCIAL COLLAPSE
We should not wonder, therefore, that the end of this present evil world should be characterized by financial collapse. The introduction to one prophecy dealing with our day speaks of the “evil” that comes, and states that “the end is come.” (Ezek. 7:5,6) Complete financial collapse is spoken of in Ezekiel 7:19: “They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord.” ''

It expands it in good detail but I don't want to copy too bit a section. What are your thoughts on this financial crisis? y:-?
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I'm personally not too worried. We got through the Great Depression just fine.
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The significance this time though might be that it will pave the way for a different monetary system, a world currency perhaps. We shall have to see how things unfold......
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I dislike the way every crisis is immediately linked to the end of time. There is no supernatural reason for the current economic decline it's simply because a few bankers took on more than they could handle. The end of time will come when the end of time comes worrying about it will have no effect. Unless fo course you intend to stop it? y:-?
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Is it the end of the world already? :esurprised:

I thought the Mayan calendar scheduled the end of the world for 2012!

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We know there is yet to be a 7 year tribulation period but many things have to occur before that e.g the mark, monetary control. So, no, I'm not saying it's the end of the world just yet. :ewink:
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America may be having money problems, but alot of other nations are doing great. i.e. China, Russia.
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I read an interesting article recently in the Daily Mail regarding China becoming the new Super Power, overtaking the US possibly. China and Russia, seem to feature a lot in many 'end time' articles I've read. This power shift that could well happen may be significant or maybe not. It is interesting and worrying to see how things are going to unfold......
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Joshua wrote:America may be having money problems, but alot of other nations are doing great. i.e. China, Russia.
Not so much as of today according to the New York Times. All markets fell considerably today. Even though in America there is the whole problem that started with the housing then moved to banks, which does affect other countries.

Here is a good http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... ets&st=cselink.
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Joshua wrote:America may be having money problems, but alot of other nations are doing great. i.e. China, Russia.
Canada is still doing well for now.

I will be spending next weekend in Vermont;* spending my Canadian dollars there to help out your economy. y**==

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Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote: will be spending next weekend in Vermont;* spending my Canadian dollars there to help out your economy.
Wow! I know you're a great guy, but helping to save a nation from political ruin....oops.. .I meant..um..er, financial collapse? And right here at the endtimes no less. :)


Uh, you don't suppose you might have taken our Savior's word about selling all you have a bit too literal do you? :P
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Prognostications are always too difficult to predict! ;)
I do find it fascinating when I see all the finger pointing going on (especially here in the U.S.)trying to determine who's to blame. My only prayer is that there will be a revival as a result of the current crisis, which could only happen once individuals see that "there is no one who is righteous. No, not one..."
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rodyshusband wrote:Prognostications are always too difficult to predict! ;)
I do find it fascinating when I see all the finger pointing going on (especially here in the U.S.)trying to determine who's to blame. My only prayer is that there will be a revival as a result of the current crisis, which could only happen once individuals see that "there is no one who is righteous. No, not one..."
Good points, even the finger wagging.
Your prayer is one that I'll make as well, I hope a revival will occur also.

After 911, the church house attendance was much higher for a while and even though it fell off, I'm sure many began more serious thinking about their relationship with GOD. I think for some, at least, it is lasting.

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Cross.eyed wrote:Wow! I know you're a great guy, but helping to save a nation from political ruin....oops.. .I meant..um..er, financial collapse? And right here at the endtimes no less.
My wife and I dumped about $500 of new money into the US economy while in Vermont during the long Thanksgiving Day weekend. (You may have noticed that the NYSE and NASDAQ have both jumped after of our spending spree...but I am a humble man. Thanking me would just embarrass me.)

This I noticed: before returning to Canada, I stopped at a Vermont Liquor Outlet to buy a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon. For those who know, Maker's Mark is a premier bourbon made in small batches, pricey, and unavailable outside the USA. The regular MM label is beige with brown lettering, and the bottle is sealed with red wax which has dribbled down the neck and dried there.

At this VLO store, the only MM bottles available had a blue & red label with a donkey and an elephant on them to boot. The wax seal was in three colors: red white and blue (and it looked strangely like the French flag.) Bizarre: politics in your liquor...only in the USA!

I didn't buy it.

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Fürstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Cross.eyed wrote:Wow! I know you're a great guy, but helping to save a nation from political ruin....oops.. .I meant..um..er, financial collapse? And right here at the endtimes no less.
My wife and I dumped about $500 of new money into the US economy while in Vermont during the long Thanksgiving Day weekend. (You may have noticed that the NYSE and NASDAQ have both jumped after of our spending spree...but I am a humble man. Thanking me would just embarrass me.)

This I noticed: before returning to Canada, I stopped at a Vermont Liquor Outlet to buy a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon. For those who know, Maker's Mark is a premier bourbon made in small batches, pricey, and unavailable outside the USA. The regular MM label is beige with brown lettering, and the bottle is sealed with red wax which has dribbled down the neck and dried there.

At this VLO store, the only MM bottles available had a blue & red label with a donkey and an elephant on them to boot. The wax seal was in three colors: red white and blue (and it looked strangely like the French flag.) Bizarre: politics in your liquor...only in the USA!

I didn't buy it.

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Awwws . . . thanks so much for helping our economy! And I'm sure the MM would've tasted the same (though the change of decoration is unfortunate even in my view).

This topic has made me feel so much better about our finances! :ewink:
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