Christians who committ suicide

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Christians who committ suicide

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Post by phiver4 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:12 pm

I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?

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Post by BavarianWheels » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:28 pm

phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Don't quite know.
Samson basically committed suicide...didn't he?
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Post by Canuckster1127 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:47 pm

phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I find no reason in Scripture to assume that this is an unforgivable sin. That certainly doesn't condone it however.
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Post by Cross.eyed » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:11 am

Canuckster1127 wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I find no reason in Scripture to assume that this is an unforgivable sin. That certainly doesn't condone it however.
I agree and some may disagree with this- isn't it possible that a person can be forgiven before committing a sin?
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Post by FFC » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:53 am

Cross.eyed wrote:
Canuckster1127 wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I find no reason in Scripture to assume that this is an unforgivable sin. That certainly doesn't condone it however.
I agree and some may disagree with this- isn't it possible that a person can be forgiven before committing a sin?
Yeah, like when we are saved and God forgives us for sins: past, present, and future?
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Post by Canuckster1127 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:09 am

FFC wrote:
Cross.eyed wrote:
Canuckster1127 wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I find no reason in Scripture to assume that this is an unforgivable sin. That certainly doesn't condone it however.
I agree and some may disagree with this- isn't it possible that a person can be forgiven before committing a sin?
Yeah, like when we are saved and God forgives us for sins: past, present, and future?
In one sense all sins forgiven find their source in one point in time, namely the death and resurrection of Christ. In another sense there is indication in Scripture that there are believers who are saved and yet they are saved by the skin of their teeth, or like being snatched at the last second out of a fire. While salavation I don't believe is an issue for believers sin, there is an issue of reward and a sense of loss or shame when we stand before Christ. I see suicide and any other numbers of willful rebellion against God by believers as falling into this category.

We don't lose our salvation. It does have consequences however, now and in the future.

Positionally and practically there are different issues.
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Post by FFC » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:20 am

Canuckster1127 wrote:
FFC wrote:
Cross.eyed wrote:
Canuckster1127 wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I find no reason in Scripture to assume that this is an unforgivable sin. That certainly doesn't condone it however.
I agree and some may disagree with this- isn't it possible that a person can be forgiven before committing a sin?
Yeah, like when we are saved and God forgives us for sins: past, present, and future?
In one sense all sins forgiven find their source in one point in time, namely the death and resurrection of Christ. In another sense there is indication in Scripture that there are believers who are saved and yet they are saved by the skin of their teeth, or like being snatched at the last second out of a fire. While salavation I don't believe is an issue for believers sin, there is an issue of reward and a sense of loss or shame when we stand before Christ. I see suicide and any other numbers of willful rebellion against God by believers as falling into this category.

We don't lose our salvation. It does have consequences however, now and in the future.

Positionally and practically there are different issues.
Absolutely! Otherwise there would be no reason to walk in God's ways or confess our sins when we blow it. Sanctification is a lifelong process.
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Post by 7trumpets » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:43 am

phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Its falls under "murder," for its premeditating and killing a child of GOD. Guess who the first one is that they face? It isn't Saint Peter!

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Post by FFC » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:15 am

7trumpets wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Its falls under "murder," for its premeditating and killing a child of GOD. Guess who the first one is that they face? It isn't Saint Peter!
Thankfully as a child of God it is He that we face and not another human being like ourselves. David and Moses, two titans of the faith, were both guilty of premeditated murder, but God forgave them and used them because He knew the true condition of their hearts and that they (their hearts) were towards Him. Everybody screws up big sometimes...some of us most of the time. Thankfully we have a big God with a lot of grace. Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound.
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Post by BavarianWheels » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:16 am

7trumpets wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Its falls under "murder," for its premeditating and killing a child of GOD. Guess who the first one is that they face? It isn't Saint Peter!
I understand this can be seen as such, but I cannot rule out totally the above comments and would more likely side with them than this.
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Post by Canuckster1127 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:32 am

7trumpets wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Its falls under "murder," for its premeditating and killing a child of GOD. Guess who the first one is that they face? It isn't Saint Peter!
There will be muderers in heaven. The first one they face may be King David.
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Post by Kurieuo » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:43 pm

phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Yes, it is forgivable. Why wouldn't it be?

However, an extreme works-based theology would argue that a person committing suicide shows they really weren't Christian, just as one not continuing in good works would show a person is not really Christian.

Opposite this would be a grace-based theology would argue that forgiveness is completed once and for all in Christ. As such, it is no longer an issue of sin that separates us from God, but rather an issue of whether we accept such forgiveness and Christ through whom it is offered.

I believe we are all forgiven - Christian and non-Christian alike. God's forgiveness through Christ has atoned for any and all sin. Therefore, if someone is so emotionally or psychologically distraught to the extent they take their own life, then it does not matter, for since Christ died for us sin is no longer the issue that separates us from God. This is certainly good news (gospel).

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Post by 7trumpets » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:45 pm

Canuckster1127 wrote:
7trumpets wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
Its falls under "murder," for its premeditating and killing a child of GOD. Guess who the first one is that they face? It isn't Saint Peter!
There will be muderers in heaven. The first one they face may be King David.
:roll: You cannot kill a spiritual body, only GOD can blot out. The first one they face is GOD.

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Post by B. W. » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:08 pm

phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I have to ask - phiver4 - are you personally thinking of such a course for yourself or known someone who has?
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Post by phiver4 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:43 am

B. W. wrote:
phiver4 wrote:I have always wondered about someone who has given their life to Christ and later on commits suicide. Is this forgivable in God's eyes?
I have to ask - phiver4 - are you personally thinking of such a course for yourself or known someone who has?
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Me? not at all. I have personally known people who have and this question has always perplexed me as it is not addressed (as far as I can find) in the Bible.

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