If God Made the Universe, Who Made God?

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Re: If God Made the Universe, Who Made God?


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Philip wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:25 amAt the very least, Ken must admit that A) SOMETHING must be eternal and B) only a source with many of the capabilities described of the God of the Bible could produce the Big Bang event / our universe today!
You're half right; A) makes sense; B) does not
Philip wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:25 am Also, the Source for the universe had to have the knowledge and ability to create its building blocks (non-intelligent things cannot create themselves nor do they have awareness of ANYTHING!),
Intelligent things don't create themselves either.
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Re: If God Made the Universe, Who Made God?


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Instead of wasting our time trying to use evidence to convince atheists of God. We need to stop doing the same thing over and over expecting to get different results- Insanity.This is a one sided evidence debate devised by atheists to get you to try to use evidence to prove your religion and God is true just so they can reject,deny and explain it all away,while they sit there with no evidence at all,muchless proof they are correct to live as if a god does not exist. They believe atheists who have no evidence and no credibility concerning their atheistic opinions on any subject.They believe them so much despite knowing that they have absolutely no evidence at all they ignore the fact atheists have no evidence and decide to live as an atheist,knowingly despite the lack of evidence.Instead of trying to convince Kenny here using evidence he is going to reject,you/we should instead try to remind him the importance of going by evidence to get to the truth of any subject so that Kenny will realize atheism is not the correct way I should be living. There is no reason based on evidence for me to be living as a atheist. Atheists have no evidence,no credibility and are living by blind faith.Atheism is not and cannot be the correct way I should be living,etc. This does not mean we can't use evidence but when it is an atheist we are dealing with we should use evidence strategically,not to convince atheists but to point out to people watching/reading these debates atheists are the ones who have no evidence,no credibility on any subject,not just religion and God,but any subject because you should not believe people who have no evidence.We need to explain to people atheists don't know how to use evidence to know if something is true or not and we need to help them learn. Then you can present your evidence and say "Here look at our evidence and see we do have credibility about why we believe and live as we do"
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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