Nils wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:27 am
Philip wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:52 pm
Nils: Talking about Behe you again say that coordinated mutations make things impossible. But there are other methods
Nils presumes there are other methods, not because science has proven or observed them, but because in his mind, they MUST exist!
How to comment such nonsense?
Nils, I stated that because you've argued relentlessly for some Godless explanations for what is possible, yet without producing any examinable proof for what you insist is. You use the jargon of science-speak and speculation, yet without providing anything credible to support it. And so that tells me you believe what you do based upon something besides science or provable facts - that you believe it per emotion-driven desire per what you don't want to consider to be possible. Of course, you're still arguing about WAY secondary processes that would have taken place billions of years beyond what you really need to explain
(The Big Bang event). Evolution has not one thing to assert that dismisses God necessary to the universe's existence, composition, designs, functionalities, and comprehensive coordination between processes and components - which is why the debate is even important to most here. And it begs the question as to what you think blind, non-intelligent things are capable of producing. Not to mention NOTHING can create itself!
And the moment before the Big Bang, NOTHING physical even existed. And mere minutes later, multiple dimensions and extraordinary things of incredible designs interacted with stupendous precision in astonishingly coordinated orchestration. These are what you REALLY need to explain - the PRIMARY catalyst for the universe, and not secondary processes, billions of years later, that no one can provide a satisfactory explanation for - which is a far different matter than providing mere speculations - and even though that is actually the much easier aspect of what needs to be explained, in comparison to the astonishing Big Bang event. Again, what can blind, non-intelligent things do or cause - and please begin with how they even exist to begin with! Then contrast arguments asserting a necessary billions of years of evolution vs. the very first SECOND of the Big Bang, and look at what was produced within that literal blink of an eye!
And so look at what happened in ONE SECOND after the Big Bang began! And it is the polar opposite of randomness and chaos, and also one revealing some vast Intelligence required to instantly organize and create such things of immediate intricate sophistication, designs, functions and interactivity of just the right things required to build our universe. This event, in one mere second, checks ever possible box for what would require incredible intelligence, as our best scientists have spent 100 years trying to understand its components and how it worked. But as to WHY or HOW this would be possible - the answer isn't to be found via scientific analysis. But what can be certain is it required unbelievable power, intelligence, and something that is eternal / could not create itself and stood outside its creation.