RickD wrote: ↑
Fri May 11, 2018 12:42 pm
BavarianWheels wrote: ↑
Fri May 11, 2018 12:20 pm
RickD wrote: ↑
Fri May 11, 2018 11:15 am
Every single person was present at creation in the Adam and Eve.
As I'm trying to understand your position, could you please cite scripture that shows this?
Hold on there...I'm not the one claiming the law(s) is Jewish. YOU made that claim. Why do you not FIRST provide some evidence that shows the Sabbath to be Jewish as that is/was your claim and that you could easily provide texts?
RickD wrote: ↑
Fri May 11, 2018 11:15 am
I'm assuming you are talking about Genesis 2:3, when God sanctified and blessed the 7th day.
Yes, didn't I type that above?
You asked me here:
Will you pray on the simple question of who was present at creation when God instituted and made the 7th day holy...a day HE even rested on...as if God needs rest?
So I did. I prayed. Now I'm trying to understand what it is you want me to see. So I asked you to clarify from scripture, so I can look at it, study it, and try to understand what you are saying.
I'm doing what you asked of me. I just need the clarification from scripture that I asked for.
And to clarify something you said above, I already showed you, and provided scripture that shows you why I believe the law to observe the sabbath was given specifically to the nation of Israel. If you missed it, I can link you to the post. But it seriously gets frustrating when you keep saying I don't show you why I believe the law was given specifically to Israel.
To narrow it down further, see exodus 20:1-2
20 Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]slavery.
That shows WHO God was giving the 10 commandments to.
I'm going to give you texts to ponder on the biblical fact that all of humanity is doomed to sin THROUGH the first Adam.
Genesis 3:20, Romans 5:12, Romans 3:9
As to your point about the law to observe the Sabbath was given specifically to the nation of Israel, I don't dispute that per se. I dispute it was given SOLELY for Israel to observe. See also Romans 3:19
What is my proof text for this? Genesis 2:2,3 This text provides THE reason God made the 7th day holy. It provides God's initial intention of resting on the 7th day.
Then in Exodus 20:8-11, God reestablishes what was already made known to the Adam and Eve and likely was either lost to time, forgotten or God was simply restating it...the latter two make more sense according to the wording of the 4th commandment.
Exodus 20:8-11 NIV wrote:8“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
1. Remember...how can something be remembered if it wasn't already known or established?
2. Keep it holy
3. How? Vs. 9, 10
4. Why? Vs. 11
No where in the words of God does it mention these laws are solely for the Jews...especially so for the 4th commandment since it was established before any Jew ever walked this earth and in fact, all of humanity was present in the Adam and Eve. That is to say, every human, Jew and Gentile is a procreation of the Adam and Eve.
If you don't hold to THAT point, then please add to the list of proof texts where it states a certain set of humans were not of the lineage of the Adam and Eve that they were not present on the 7th day of creation. Again, see Romans 3:19 to see who is under the law...that the law points at our sin...the whole world's sin "so that everyone is accountable to God".
Galatians 3:10 is clear...all who RELY ON THE LAW ( for righteousness ) are under a curse
and then Galatians 3:13 clarifies even more that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law
. So for those who follow the law for perfect righteousness are required to follow ALL of the law ( perfectly ) for the law to declare them righteous.
We can't. We are sinners from conception. The law already curses us because we are the offspring of sinners, the Adam and Eve. There is no one righteous. Romans 3:10
Romans 3:27-31 NIV wrote:27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
It is clear here that there is no Jew nor Gentile. If this is true, then there is no "Jewish" law, but simply God's law for ALL of humanity...which is when He declared/made the 7th day holy...when all of humanity was present ( figuratively speaking ) in the Adam and Eve...prior to any sin entering His creation!
The Sabbath was made for man ( Mark 2:27 ). It was made for man PRIOR to sin entering humanity. Had the Adam and Eve not succumbed to their curiosity, the Sabbath would still be a thing that would be followed because God made that day holy in remembrance that HE is the Creator of all. Isaiah 66:22 alludes to the fact that the Sabbath will endure even in the new heavens and new earth.