crochet1949 wrote:I'm asking questions -- discussing -- you're beginning to sound like Audie. The 'higher power' being God and 'create' -- making from nothing except that which God created Himself. Or speaking into existence. Genesis 1.
Well, Audie likes to get definitions clear, like me. We don't want to fall into the trap we so often accuse others of - refuting arguments that our opponents don't hold. My questions were very relevant however, as they were attempts to understand what we all, in our different ways, mean by God. The words 'higher power' don't actually mean very much in this context, do they? I get 'higher power' from my car by pressing the accelerator, or from my sound-system by turning up the volume. You've chosen a form of words which sound mystically impressive, but I wonder if you really understand what you mean by them. That's why I asked. I'm not sure you do, and I'm not sure you really want to.
But yes, as far as it goes, and I don't think any atheist would disagree with us, I think the universe is the result of much more impressive processes than I am capable of. Processes which cover the entire universe, and encompass all the energy in it, and define how the energy is transferred, and manage the transference. The 'laws of physics' for short (although in themselves they are only descriptive, not executive). That's definitely a 'higher power'.
And then there's 'create'. And yes, as far as it goes, and many atheists would agree with us, I think the universe arose from an immaterial state we have been calling 'nothing' for convenience, as an act of spontaneous creation. However I don't think that elephants or mosquitoes were created from nothing in a sudden moment. I think these were the result of the single act of spontaneous creation about 15 billion years ago. If the results of creation are also creation, then Yes, all things were 'created', but if not, then No, they weren't.
So you see, the answer to what you posed as a fairly simple question: "Did a 'higher power' create or Didn't He," could easily be answered Yes by the most militant atheist, and No by the most convinced Christian, with equal sincerity. It is thus either unanswerable or meaningless, depending on interpretation, which is why I inquired.