bbyrd009 wrote:well, i'm less interested in getting into how one cannot serve two masters there, then i am in pointing out that it is not possible to make a country into a nation, no matter how many times you hear "nation" stated instead of "country," which is like evry single time, because they wish to propagate the lie. "Those who don't want to help" are Native Americans, who of course don't pledge allegiance, and have their own nation here in the US, so I'm not sure where they would go?
So, see how someone with a good heart is led by the world to pledge allegiance to something other than God, because otherwise they must count themselves sheep to the slaughter? And it is not the sheep destroying the land, Detroit, Flint, your town next, is it now. Hard not to associate those with the ones most loudly proclaiming "if you don't like it, leave," wadr.
And as for myself, i may have given the wrong impression, because while i have no interest in helping per se, neither do i have any interest in hurting, and i don't abide people, even voters, bad-mouthing leaders and the like, and for what it's worth i obey laws to a degree that drives most people nuts, i nail the speed limit, etc, which one pretty much has to do if they are an Anarchist, with no license plates or license, etc, anyway, but the spirit is the point imo.
Take a look at Romans 13:1 "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. vs 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."
And 1Peter 2:13- 14 "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men; whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to comment those who do right."
as noted, i submit more than most allegiance pledgers; but "submit" does not = "pledge allegiance to," as my next reply might further illuminate.
crochet1949 wrote:Why do you make a distinction between country and nation.
because the first is in the world, an artificial construct of men, that includes secrets and lies, and pledging allegiances to things that you cannot even define, as might be revealed when you see that the District of Columbia is not even a legal part of your nation, which will continue when the country has finished imploding. The nation will still be here, see, because it is on the earth, not in the world.
A better question imo is actually "why do the (supposed, titular; meaning "not really") leaders of your country insist upon calling it a nation, when they know that it is not?"
See, Israel was a nation that desired to become a country, as we can read in 1Sam8. And this destroyed them, as we can read at the end of the OT, where they basically all got deported "to Babylon," a spiritually/symbolically significant place. And the Israel that you know as a "country" right now is just a lie, it does not even qualify as an actual country; it is held together by US, having the strongest army, and having an agenda for the area, with "a home for the Jews" being the window dressing, and so that you might then conflate "fig tree budding" in Scripture with 1948.
crochet1949 wrote:As for the Indian groups in this country -- We put them in the conditions they are -- many decades ago.
this imo is the difference in allegiance and subjection; you say "we," and i say, in that case, "you." Or "y'all." I would say "them," but you have voluntarily pledged allegiance, allying yourself with them, so "y'all" it now is.
A person who has no interest in Helping is Potentially harming with their attitude / actions. So, you're saying that You don't have license plates or license. So You don't drive. You use public transportation.
no, i travel, in my own vehicle. It is completely legal. "Driving" is a commercial endeavor, for people whose lives have been monetized, which i'm sure sounds really weird to you, because it sure did to me at one time too, lol. But you cannot be compelled to either get plates or a licence if you are not engaged in commerce, and i do not engage in commerce of any kind, as you understand it.
crochet1949 wrote: But then again, you say that 'I nail the speed limit, etc' -- so you're saying that you Do drive but without a vehicle that is legal?
in your lexicon i drive, my vehicle. But the definition of "drive" is a legal one, and now i am just agreeing with you to avoid a semantics discussion, because you do not know the legal definition of "drive." We use the term "drive" colloquially, slang, like we use the term "nation," which also is not used at court; or at least may be objected to, objection sustained every time.
I know this all sounds really weird to you, but it is the law. See, it was just assumed when you were born that you desired to become a citizen of the country, because your parents were etc, but we have many nations here, and many people who do not consider themselves citizens of the country. I am a subject to the law of the country, and certainly not a subversive, although i can't speak for others, who range all along the bell curve there.
crochet1949 wrote: An Anarchist is someone who obeys only the laws They see as being important and ignore the rest of them?
strictly speaking an Anarchist is someone who recognizes no rulers, which does not mean "no rules," and as i mentioned these people range all along a bell curve in their practice of Anarchy, which one can note is conflated as often as possible with Chaos by the rulers of the country, and it is even in our dictionaries now. These same people reduce "tares" to "weeds," and "Word" to "Bible" and the list goes on, any important definition, with a spiritual component has now been corrupted, i could easily fill a legal pad with them.
As a believer in Christ, however, i have additional constraints that a pure Anarchist might not feel compelled to; i must subject myself to the laws, but i must also recognize when it is more just to, say, obtain marijuana for a kid if i am able and asked to, to allow them to heal properly and/or not subject themselves to chemotherapy or seizure meds, etc., just to submit the first example that comes to mind.
But we live in a great country for this; we have jury nullification, etc, meaning a jury is legally allowed to completely disregard the law and vote their conscience on a case, which drives judges nuts when you tell the jury this but oh well. I have even been arrested for this lol although i got an apology and a continuance later, and got to hand every juror an outline of jury nullification. Ps it is not worth it btw, for anyone reading, seek other means to educate jurors if you have to.
crochet1949 wrote:If I were to go to another country, I'd make sure that I knew the laws and obeyed them. No exception.
well, that attitude has got us to here, where we are, and you better be, if you are not rich, right? But if you are rich, then you don't have to. So i'll pass on that. Plus my guess is that you are now aware of some laws that you were not aware of before, right? So wadr this "I'd make sure that i knew the laws" is a joke, sorry, and not even possible, practically speaking; not even if you are a lawyer. Just go ask a lawyer if he knows all the laws, and see what answer they give you.