Are My Actions Determined?

Healthy skepticism of ALL worldviews is good. Skeptical of non-belief like found in Atheism? Post your challenging questions. Responses are encouraged.
User avatar
Kurieuo
Technical Admin
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 593 times
Been liked: 615 times

Are My Actions Determined?

#1

Post by Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 7:34 pm

Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

___________________

Image

Kenny
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2982
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:17 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 66 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#2

Post by Kenny » Sun May 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions

Ken

User avatar
Kurieuo
Technical Admin
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 593 times
Been liked: 615 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#3

Post by Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 8:39 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

___________________

Image

Kenny
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2982
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:17 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 66 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#4

Post by Kenny » Sun May 15, 2016 8:52 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
Free will

Ken

User avatar
Kurieuo
Technical Admin
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 593 times
Been liked: 615 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#5

Post by Kurieuo » Sun May 15, 2016 8:58 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

___________________

Image

Kenny
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2982
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:17 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 66 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#6

Post by Kenny » Mon May 16, 2016 5:55 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

K

User avatar
Byblos
Old School
Posts: 5835
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:21 pm
Christian: Yes
Location: NY
Has liked: 84 times
Been liked: 127 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#7

Post by Byblos » Mon May 16, 2016 6:10 am

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote: I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.

K

:pound:
These users liked this post by Byblos:
Kurieuo (Mon May 16, 2016 5:17 pm)
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.

Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

Hortator
Advanced Senior Member
Posts: 764
Joined: Mon May 25, 2015 5:00 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ohio
Has liked: 114 times
Been liked: 58 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#8

Post by Hortator » Mon May 16, 2016 6:42 am

Let's see what's on tv.

Aww what a repeat? Oh well. :popcorn:

User avatar
edwardmurphy
Prestigious Senior Member
Posts: 1662
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:45 am
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 100 times
Been liked: 102 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#9

Post by edwardmurphy » Mon May 16, 2016 4:33 pm

Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I think we have free will within a deterministic framework. We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but lots of factors - age, gender, education, life experience, religious beliefs, up-bringing, government intervention, wealth or lack thereof, knowledge, and a hundred other things - act as limiting factors and/or push us in one direction or another. So yeah, we have free will to do what's possible within whatever boxes where we find ourselves.
If you're accustomed to privilege equality may feel like oppression.

User avatar
Kurieuo
Technical Admin
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 593 times
Been liked: 615 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#10

Post by Kurieuo » Mon May 16, 2016 5:15 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:Just another question, related to my one about whether I should do as I please.

This one is obviously important as to whether I can in fact do as I please, or whether my actions are already decided for me as part of some biochemical event.

We often hear positions of those who believe in God, you know the free will vs predetermination.
What say some lay people without belief in God though, I'd be interested?
I think we have free will within a deterministic framework. We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but lots of factors - age, gender, education, life experience, religious beliefs, up-bringing, government intervention, wealth or lack thereof, knowledge, and a hundred other things - act as limiting factors and/or push us in one direction or another. So yeah, we have free will to do what's possible within whatever boxes where we find ourselves.
It is intuitive that we have free will, but I wonder how it is "we" could possibly emerge in a real sense above a mechanical process to then control it? E.g., if fire is the physical process, and smoke the conscious self that emerges, how is it the smoke can usurp control of the fire to act?

Such is understood as a serious epiphenomenal problem within a materialistic or physicalist framework.
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

___________________

Image

User avatar
Kurieuo
Technical Admin
Posts: 9695
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:25 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Progressive Creationist
Location: Qld, Australia
Has liked: 593 times
Been liked: 615 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#11

Post by Kurieuo » Mon May 16, 2016 5:19 pm

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote: I believe for the most part; each person determines his actions
But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.
There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)

___________________

Image

Kenny
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2982
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:17 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 66 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#12

Post by Kenny » Mon May 16, 2016 8:16 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote: But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.
There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.
With economics, just as Capitalist aren't pure capitalist, Communist aren't pure Communist, when it comes to what we believe; skeptics aren't pure skeptics; if they were they would never get anything done

Ken

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 20002
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kamino
Has liked: 174 times
Been liked: 971 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#13

Post by RickD » Tue May 17, 2016 2:32 am

Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote: Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.
There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.
With economics, just as Capitalist aren't pure capitalist, Communist aren't pure Communist, when it comes to what we believe; skeptics aren't pure skeptics; if they were they would never get anything done


Ken
Certainly can't argue with that logic.
1 Corinthians 1:9
9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Audie wrote:
"Christianity is not a joke, but it has some very poor representatives."


St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

Audie
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3502
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:41 am
Christian: No
Sex: Female
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Location: USA
Has liked: 164 times
Been liked: 113 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#14

Post by Audie » Tue May 17, 2016 3:36 am

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Kurieuo wrote: But, how is that possible?
Free will
Of course! y#-o
Humm.... This turned out to be a lot easier than I thought.
There is no defeating you Kenny.

What self-proclaimed skeptics don't really seem to understand, is a healthy skepticism also involves being skeptic of one's skepticism. That's all I'll say. If you want to knock my questions up to "making some point" then so be it.

Self -proclaimed believers dont realize that believing also involves believing one's belief
These users liked this post by Audie:
Kenny (Tue May 17, 2016 4:59 am)

User avatar
Storyteller
Make me a Sammich Member
Posts: 2929
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:54 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: UK
Has liked: 176 times
Been liked: 312 times

Re: Are My Actions Determined?

#15

Post by Storyteller » Tue May 17, 2016 4:50 am

But atheists lack belief, do they not?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran

Post Reply