Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
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JurassicTerrorist
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Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
No, i'm not pro-choice, nor am i here to "necessarily" debate, i just want to know the evidence of abortion in the Bible. Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Thou shalt not kill.JurassicTerrorist wrote:No, i'm not pro-choice, nor am i here to "necessarily" debate, i just want to know the evidence of abortion in the Bible. Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Thou shalt not murder.
You can start with that.
You can start with that.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
It is not murder when a person kills in a war like David and Goliath.Storyteller wrote:I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
all killing is not murder.Storyteller wrote:I dont agree with abortion BUT
thou shall not kill, murder.. why does that not apply in war?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
So killing and murder is different? How?
Am thinking hard about this especially in light of Syria, trying to understand it. Accept it.
Am thinking hard about this especially in light of Syria, trying to understand it. Accept it.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Technically the soldier or the Police officer must be in the line of duty however it is not murder in the eyes of God if they are in the line of duty upholding the laws of the land and must kill to do it.Storyteller wrote:So killing and murder is different? How?
Am thinking hard about this especially in light of Syria, trying to understand it. Accept it.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
And you dont have to be religious to believe abortion is wrong either.JurassicTerrorist wrote: Heck i've even heard "liberals" claim that abortion being a sin is a "myth".
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/27/you ... -is-wrong/
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.
You can start with that.
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Yes. I know the argument. They believe location determines personhood. Not the least bit logical, IMO.JurassicTerrorist wrote:I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.
You can start with that.
I don't know of any scripture that mentions personhood. But take scripture out of the argument. Have them look at it scientifically. When does human life begin?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
When the sperm cell unites with the female egg (ovum), but i think it's more about whether or not a baby has a mental state inside the womb (e.g a personality). As for the Bible, from what i can see, it seems like it says the baby has a personhood e.g Luke 1:44, Jeremiah 1:5.RickD wrote:Yes. I know the argument. They believe location determines personhood. Not the least bit logical, IMO.JurassicTerrorist wrote:I was thinking of something more specific like if the unborn baby has a personhood. Pro-choice people claim personhood comes at birth, so therefore they mean it's not wrong to kill an unborn child.RickD wrote:Thou shalt not murder.
You can start with that.
I don't know of any scripture that mentions personhood. But take scripture out of the argument. Have them look at it scientifically. When does human life begin?
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Perhaps straying a little off topic, but interesting read nonetheless:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/con ... onist.html
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/con ... onist.html
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Scriptual proof of abortion being a sin?
Luke 1:44
I think this fits very well JT.
Does anyone else find it particularly interesting that the first announcement made to and from Christ on earth was done as an unborn child - to an unborn child ? Can there be any better example of why you don't kill innocent, unborn children ... Yes, certainly there are many reasons for abortion ... some may even be valid, but the entirety (well over 1 billion since 1980) of cannot be explained by those potentially valid reasons.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
Oh yes, from the moment of conception God placed us as individual persons. If He can use babies to introduce himself to the world, how can we remove the very instruments of our salvation from His use ?
I think this fits very well JT.
Does anyone else find it particularly interesting that the first announcement made to and from Christ on earth was done as an unborn child - to an unborn child ? Can there be any better example of why you don't kill innocent, unborn children ... Yes, certainly there are many reasons for abortion ... some may even be valid, but the entirety (well over 1 billion since 1980) of cannot be explained by those potentially valid reasons.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
Oh yes, from the moment of conception God placed us as individual persons. If He can use babies to introduce himself to the world, how can we remove the very instruments of our salvation from His use ?
Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence. -St Augustine