I would quote the last post in the previous discussion, but since those who argue that the Law hasn't been done away with are in the minority (I believe there's only two of us here), I'll quote the last post of Gman, and the last post in the thread.
Gman wrote:For me I actually tend to see G-d's commandments broken down to more than just two, three, or even 613 commandments. In fact I would argue that the New Testament also has many commandments. I think the point here is which one's do we do? Obviously we can't do them all... Some are strictly for women, some are for priests, some are for lepers, some are agricultural, etc. So we simply do the ones that we can apply to us today..
Also about the other laws.. According to Ezekiel, the sacrifices will come back Ezekiel 43:19-27, including circumcision if you want to enter His sanctuary Ezekiel 44:9... So sometime in the near future, these laws may come back. I would be cautious to throw them under the bus for now.
neo-x wrote:I have said in my previous posts that as long as people are following the law without being legalistic about it, they are free in Christ to do so. It doesn't affect the work of the Cross and I thank God for that.
I am not sure, but I know Gman's post hints at not following the laws as sin. I am not sure what does he mean when he uses the word "laws" but I somehow find it easy to believe that he is in fact pointing towards the Law given to Moses and to not obey them is sinning; and so we have a problem. I have talked to Cheezrox about it and while I still think that the law was done with, at the core of it I actually do not blame him of legalization because he makes it clear that it is not a sin/salvation issue. And that he obeys the law because he loves to. Why he does what he does and is that contradictory, is another issue and one which I believe is not proper for anyone to judge other than God. And while I may muse over with him on the issue I do not think that following of the law is such a crucial problem and therefore I respect his opinion as I understand that there is indeed some margin that I must give since it is not a salvation issue.
But when it is hinted that not obeying the law is sin then I can not help but point out the obvious. In all of this people are crossing fine lines about, should the law be followed or must the law be followed? I believe there are people who say that we "should" follow it and as long as grace and salvation are not being legalized I am okay with this. When the "must" is applied and the negation of it is called sinning than I believe we are well within dangerous boundaries and this is worth contemplating on and the error being rectified.
I have seen a previous thread when Gman, locked the thread because of harsh words, and I admit they were on both sides but on a side note I do not buy the "anti-Semitic" lecture as is often given. I think people misuse the term to degrade and discredit opponents. I would be really disappointed if this thread ends up the same way, by both sides. I do not hate the Jews, nor Israel, but I am also not going to give them any more credit than I find due from scriptures and if that is going to be called as anti-Semitism in the long run than I am not sure what qualifies for such discrimination against people who question the Jewish tradition on religious, spiritual and intellectual grounds.
That being said, I feel we are all brothers on both side of the fences, so lets not muddy the waters with unneeded sarcasm and stereotyping and ad hominem attacks.