Cult signs (Unitarians, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses included)

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Post by Proinsias » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:16 pm

I was a little torn on the Mormon thing but Mike's evil laugh has confirmed their demonic nature for me.

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Post by B. W. » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:13 pm

I thought this thread was long gone.

Mormon's need to answer why and how is Satan Jesus' brother for one?

It is another Jesus being brought forth by Mormonism and its devotion of its followers who are sorely afraid of looking into their own doctrine should cause concern.

Joseph Smith's writings contradicts each other, and are unreliable in historical context. This was shown in another thread on Mormonism.

Those are a few of the differences of Mormonism…

Have a nice day Mike

And please read this Forum Thread on the same subject for more information:

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 6&start=45

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Post by domokunrox » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:53 am

The book of Mormon claimed that native americans are actually isrealites.

Yet, scientific research looked into the genetics of native americans and confirmed that they are from asian ancestrary.

The Mormon church and scholars still to this day have no answer to this new information.

Also, Smith recited the whole book of Mormon, yet "And so it came to pass" or some variant of the phrase is used thousands of times in the book.

Just 2 pieces of information I wanted to put out there. I can go on for quite a while on LDS texts.

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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:51 pm

Beliefs will differ all across the world, does that mean the nice Christian thing will happen? "Believe the way I do or your going to hell" "the "true church" has not been established yet. Christ has not returned to do that job yet. Jw's have as much right to the kingdom as anyone else. God is the judge of who gets to enter, not us to judge "for" God because beliefs differ.

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Post by B. W. » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:40 pm

1stjohn0666 wrote:Beliefs will differ all across the world, does that mean the nice Christian thing will happen? "Believe the way I do or your going to hell" "the "true church" has not been established yet. Christ has not returned to do that job yet. Jw's have as much right to the kingdom as anyone else. God is the judge of who gets to enter, not us to judge "for" God because beliefs differ.
You should read the entire thread line by line- do you good...


Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage KJV

1J ohn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

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Post by B. W. » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:47 pm

1stjohn0666 wrote:Beliefs will differ all across the world, does that mean the nice Christian thing will happen? "Believe the way I do or your going to hell" "the "true church" has not been established yet. Christ has not returned to do that job yet. Jw's have as much right to the kingdom as anyone else. God is the judge of who gets to enter, not us to judge "for" God because beliefs differ.
The "true church" has not been established - are you kidding ??

1 Ti 3:15,16, "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." KJV


Col_1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col_1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Col_4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
Col_4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
1Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti_3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti_3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1Ti_5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Phm_1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:
Heb_2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Jas_5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
1Pe_5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
3Jn_1:6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:
3Jn_1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
3Jn_1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
Rev_2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev_2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev_2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev_2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev_3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev_3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev_3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:44 am

Not kidding, in Rev Jesus will call his people out of the churches of today a.k.a. Babylon. He "calls us out" is what "true church" is. Name the denomination that is so righteous, without error, so holy, so true, ....etc. I think there just is not one established like the one we will be married into. The kingdom. Now that is the true church.

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Post by B. W. » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:29 am

1stjohn0666 wrote:Not kidding, in Rev Jesus will call his people out of the churches of today a.k.a. Babylon. He "calls us out" is what "true church" is. Name the denomination that is so righteous, without error, so holy, so true, ....etc. I think there just is not one established like the one we will be married into. The kingdom. Now that is the true church.
I take it you are a Christadelphian. That is someone who teaches a different kind of Jesus than what the bible teaches a false gospel. The bible tells us to beware of false brethren as you do not believe in the biblical Jesus. You need to be honest with the people here of this forum and correctly identify yourself. That way people can actually have an honest dialogue with you.

CARM has much to say on Christadelphianism:
What do the Christadelphians Teach?
Quote From: http://carm.org/christadelphianism

by Matt Slick
Though they acknowledge many truths found in the Bible, they deny many others.
1. They believe the Bible is the infallible and inerrant word of God. (The Christadelphians: What They Believe and Preach, p. 82)
2. They teach there is only one God. (Isaiah 43-45)
3. They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
4. They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
5. They teach that Jesus will return and set up his kingdom on earth. (What They Believe , p. 268)
6. They believe that there has been an apostasy and that Christianity is a false religious system. (A tract titled “Christendom Astray Since the Apostolic Age, Detroit Christadelphian Book Supply)
7. They believe annihilation of the wicked. (What They Believe, p. 187).
8. They believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. (What They Believe , p. 71,72, 207-210)
9. They believe that it is possible to lose one’s salvation. (What They Believe , p. 212)
10. They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
11. They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
12. They deny that Jesus existed prior to his incarnation. (What They Believe , p. 85,86)
13. They deny the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit. (What They Believe , p. 115)
14. They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ. (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71)
15. They deny salvation by grace through faith alone. (What they Believe, p. 204)
16. They deny immortality of the soul. (What They Believe , p. 17).
17. They deny that a person exists after death. (What They Believe, p. 17)
18. They deny the existence of hell and eternal punishment. (What They Believe, p. 188-189)
19. They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)
As you can see, the Christadelphians deny some essential doctrines of Christianity; namely, the deity of Jesus and salvation by grace.
Like so many other cult groups that claim to be the restored truth, they have their own interpretations of the Bible that deviate greatly from orthodox Christianity.
Is Christadelphianism Christian?
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http://carm.org/religious-movements/chr ... -christian

by Matt Slick

No, Christadelphianism is not Christian. Like all cults, Christadelphianism denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity: Jesus is God, the physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. In this case, it is the deity of Christ and salvation by grace through faith that are the problems with this group.

In regards to Jesus, it teaches that....
•Jesus had a sinful nature (The Christadelphians, What They Believe, by Harry Tennant, The Christadelphian, England, p. 74 - this is a Christadelphian book.)
•Jesus needed salvation, (Christadelphian Answers, ed. by Frank G. Jannaway, The Herald Press, p. 25 - another Christadelphian book).
•Jesus is not God in flesh (Answers, p. 22).
•That Jesus' atonement was not substitutionary (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71).
•Baptism is necessary for salvation (What They Believe, p. 71,72, 207-210)

Of primary importance is what the Christadelphians say about Jesus. They deny He is divine in nature. According to John 1:1,14, John 8:58 (with Exodus 3:14), and Col. 2:9, Jesus is God.
•"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth," (John 1:1,14).
•Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am,"(John 8:58). With, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you," (Exodus 3:14).
•"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9).

Furthermore, Jesus said in John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins." Also, John the Apostle said in 1 John 4:2-4, "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." You can see that denying that Jesus has come in the flesh (that He is God in flesh per John 1:1,14), is the spirit of antichrist.

Since we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9), it is crucial to have the proper object of faith. All Satan has to do is to get someone to believe in a false Jesus and the person is lost (Matt. 24:24). A false Jesus cannot save and only the true Jesus reveals the true God (John 14:6; Luke 10:22; John 17:3). Since Jesus is actually God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8), it follows that those who deny His divine nature -- and ascribe a sinful one to Him as the Christadelphians do -- cannot have the true Jesus and are, therefore, serving a false God.

Second, the Christadelphians deny the substitutionary atonement of Jesus. They say that He did not take our place on the cross and that He did not bear our sins. This is in direct contradiction to Scripture. 1 Pet. 2:24 says, "He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Instead, they teach a kind of representation that was not effective to remove sin and say, "Christ did not die as our substitute, but as our representative," (Answers, p. 25).

Additionally, in Answers, page 24, it says, "But it is equally true that, being 'made sin for us' (2 Cor. 5:21), he himself required a sin offering..." In other words, they are saying that Jesus Himself also needed to be saved. This is absolutely unbiblical and heretical and needs to be labeled for what it is: false doctrine. Jesus was without sin (1 Pet. 2:22), the exact representation of the nature of God (Heb. 1:3). Since God is sinless and Holy, so is Jesus in nature and essence.

Furthermore, the Christadelphians, by having a Jesus who has a sin nature, cannot have a proper sacrifice by which their sins have an atonement. According to the Old Testament, the sacrifice for sins had to be without blemish (Deut. 17:1). Having a sin nature would be a definite blemish which would invalidate the sacrifice.

Third, the Christadelphians add a work to salvation. They say that baptism is part of the saving process. But, baptism is not necessary for salvation. Instead, it is a representation of the inward reality of regeneration (1 Pet. 3:21), a covenant sign of God's work upon the heart (Col. 2:11-12). Gal. 5:1-12 speaks of the grave error of some people who thought that they needed to partake in some part of the Law (circumcision) to be saved. Paul quickly denounced them with very strong words (Gal. 5:12).

Additionally, Rom. 5:1 says that we are justified by faith, not by faith and baptism. Rom. 3:28 says we are saved not by the works of the Law; that is, not by anything that we do. Since our righteous deeds are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6), we must completely rely upon the grace of God for our salvation -- which is by faith in Jesus who is God, the creator, in flesh.

The Christadelphian religion is a false religion. It is definitely not Christian. This is not to say that there are not decent people who intend to serve God honestly and truthfully. But sincerity does not bridge the gap between God and man. Only the blood of the real Jesus does that, not a false Christ with a sin nature who himself needed salvation.
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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:38 pm

:lol: Christawhatever it was. Some I do agree with like that of going to heaven immediately after death. But most I do not agree with.

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Post by B. W. » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:06 pm

1stjohn0666 wrote::lol: Christawhatever it was. Some I do agree with like that of going to heaven immediately after death. But most I do not agree with.
You hold the Christadelphian view on all points they do, therefore, I class you as a Christadelphian with a bent toward 666 anarchy.

So how come you hold to all the tenets of Christadelphianism if you are not? Your do your post betray you - as they - deny who Jesus is, hell, support soul sleep, does not understand who the Holy Spirit is... Classic halmarks of a cultist...

Bit of honesty would be appropriate from you instead of vagueness. Just stating you are a monotheist is too vague and can mean anything. Please use a bit of honesty here but for now, your avatar name tells us all we need to know...

1stjohn666 means 1st john (means: outhouse) and 666 is the Mark of the Beast, the Antichrist number, therefore, please do not list yourself as a Christian on your profile. As for honesty, the 666 gives you away.

A true monotheist would not be a brick wall when talking to them. True monotheist stands up for their religious affiliations. They do not deny them. Agnostics and atheist don’t cower either, they at least are honest where they stand and identify themselves as agnostics or atheist. People can respect that. But to place on your profile, you are a Christian and then deny who Jesus Christ is, well, very revealing.

For now, you have aligned yourself completely to Christadelphian doctrine is well documented in the majority of your post. So if people would like to respond to you, they need to read up on the cult of Christadelphianism to understand where you are coming from.
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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:17 pm

:lol:

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Post by B. W. » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:32 pm

1stjohn0666 wrote:Answers for B.W.
AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE I AM NOT "ONE OF THOSE" :lol:
Let's see what you agree with so far in from you prior postings...it is evident that you believe and agree with the following numbers...from the article...

What do the Christadelphians Teach?
Quote From: http://carm.org/christadelphianism

by Matt Slick
Though they acknowledge many truths found in the Bible, they deny many others.

2. They teach there is only one God. (Isaiah 43-45)

6. They believe that there has been an apostasy and that Christianity is a false religious system. (A tract titled “Christendom Astray Since the Apostolic Age, Detroit Christadelphian Book Supply)

7. They believe annihilation of the wicked. (What They Believe, p. 187).

10. They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)

11. They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)

12. They deny that Jesus existed prior to his incarnation. (What They Believe , p. 85,86)

13. They deny the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit. (What They Believe , p. 115)

16. They deny immortality of the soul. (What They Believe , p. 17

17. They deny that a person exists after death. (What They Believe, p. 17

18. They deny the existence of hell and eternal punishment. (What They Believe, p. 188-189)

John666 should we add to the list as well - do you hold these views? Do you deny these???

14. They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ. (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71) WHICH VERSION OF substitutionary atonement

15. They deny salvation by grace through faith alone. (What they Believe, p. 204)
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