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Post by ochotseat » Tue May 17, 2005 12:14 am

voicingmaster wrote:If you want to see the list, go to biblicalunitarian.com, and you can see everyone of them listed.

And btw, I'm a he.
Note Unitarians in the headline.

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Post by voicingmaster » Tue May 17, 2005 1:11 pm

ochotseat wrote:
voicingmaster wrote:If you want to see the list, go to biblicalunitarian.com, and you can see everyone of them listed.

And btw, I'm a he.
Note Unitarians in the headline.
Yes, it's the Biblical Unitarian official site. And it should be noted that Universal Unitarianism is nothing like Biblical Unitarianism.

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Post by ochotseat » Wed May 18, 2005 12:37 am

voicingmaster wrote:
Yes, it's the Biblical Unitarian official site. And it should be noted that Universal Unitarianism is nothing like Biblical Unitarianism.
Both are forms of heresy.

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Post by voicingmaster » Wed May 18, 2005 3:32 pm

ochotseat wrote:
voicingmaster wrote:
Yes, it's the Biblical Unitarian official site. And it should be noted that Universal Unitarianism is nothing like Biblical Unitarianism.
Both are forms of heresy.
That's just your opinion.

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Post by AttentionKMartShoppers » Wed May 18, 2005 5:34 pm

voicingmaster wrote:
ochotseat wrote:
voicingmaster wrote:
Yes, it's the Biblical Unitarian official site. And it should be noted that Universal Unitarianism is nothing like Biblical Unitarianism.
Both are forms of heresy.
That's just your opinion.
Stuff like isn't an opinion. It's either a fact or not, not a relative thing.
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Post by ochotseat » Wed May 18, 2005 9:37 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:
Stuff like isn't an opinion. It's either a fact or not, not a relative thing.
Maybe he doesn't know that most Christians, unlike him, have believed in the Trinity for over two milleniums. As a result, one cannot be a true Christian without believing in the Trinity.

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the trinity

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Post by twoedgedsword » Mon May 23, 2005 7:22 pm

you know voice the mormons don't believe in the trinity either,
they have other books also and have to rely on books that are not even biblical or religious to try and back up their unholy religion.
I don't understand why people cannot see the sooooooo incredibly obvious every other so called religion either has other books to "translate" the bible or they have a different book all together.
any one who wants to know the truth need look no further than the "WORD OF GOD" all contained in the BIBLE.
IF YOU LOOK IN ANY OTHER BOOK CLAIMING TO BE ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF GOD OR JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED LIKE A FOOL.

Prov 17:24
Prov 26:3 The Sword.

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Re: the trinity

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Post by ochotseat » Mon May 23, 2005 11:52 pm

twoedgedsword wrote:you know voice the mormons don't believe in the trinity either,
they have other books also and have to rely on books that are not even biblical or religious to try and back up their unholy religion.
I don't understand why people cannot see the sooooooo incredibly obvious every other so called religion either has other books to "translate" the bible or they have a different book all together.
any one who wants to know the truth need look no further than the "WORD OF GOD" all contained in the BIBLE.
IF YOU LOOK IN ANY OTHER BOOK CLAIMING TO BE ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF GOD OR JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED LIKE A FOOL.

Prov 17:24
Prov 26:3 The Sword.
Maybe we'll find out if he got that or not.

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Post by voicingmaster » Tue May 24, 2005 1:00 am

I'm not Mormon. And Biblical unitarians don't use outside sources other than the Bible. The only difference between Biblical unitarianism and mainstream Christianity is the belief in the Trinity. Biblical Unitarians don't believe in the made believe crap of Mormonism, like ascension into godhood, or blacks being the 1/3 angels that Satan got, etc. Nor do they believe in the whacky doctrines set forth by the Watchtower, such as Jesus being an angel, or blood donations are bad, or dying your hair is bad.

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Post by ochotseat » Tue May 24, 2005 5:59 pm

voicingmaster wrote:I'm not Mormon. And Biblical unitarians don't use outside sources other than the Bible. The only difference between Biblical unitarianism and mainstream Christianity is the belief in the Trinity. Biblical Unitarians don't believe in the made believe **** of Mormonism, like ascension into godhood, or blacks being the 1/3 angels that Satan got, etc. Nor do they believe in the whacky doctrines set forth by the Watchtower, such as Jesus being an angel, or blood donations are bad, or dying your hair is bad.
Did you miss (again) what people have been telling you about the Trinity? :roll:

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Post by twoedgedsword » Mon May 30, 2005 3:59 pm

looks like he missed it !!



imagine that.

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If Jesus isn't God

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Post by tongamoggie » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:06 pm

If Jesus isn't God...then no one has salvation...as it had to be God in order for our debt to be payed on the cross. No angel, man, or anything less than God can pay our ransom. Jesus said that if you have seen him, you have seen the father. He also said that when he left he would send someone LIKE himself. the comforter (HOLY SPIRIT). Jesus was fully human and fully God. Or else a lunatic. He never ran around boasting about being God, but people new..and he would ask who they thought he was or just by saying he forgave sins...only God could do that..and besides, the only people that he would..as a man , say I forgive you to would be people that had personally attacked him yet these were strangers...therefore their sins were against particular people and of course, then that would include God. The religious leaders of that time understood this and tried to kill him for it. (and did in Gods time) There are plenty of old testament referances to Jesus with God and God if you study them. See referances to God making a covenant with Abraham...two entities passed between the severed sacrifice...and also shadrack , meshack (SP) and abendigo...it is believed that it was Jesus that was the forth in the furnace...even during creation.....the hebrew name for God was pluralized. But yet that is the mystery...the 3 in one. The most and best evidence is the beautiful relationship and change that Jesus brings to the people that throw the door wide for him and make him Lord of their lives. God greatly Bless you all. There is no other name, by which men can be saved, no other mediator between man and the Father....for only in his name can we be acceptable.

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Post by Fortigurn » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:17 pm

ochotseat wrote:
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:
Stuff like isn't an opinion. It's either a fact or not, not a relative thing.
Maybe he doesn't know that most Christians, unlike him, have believed in the Trinity for over two milleniums.
That's amazing, there were Christians who believed in the trinity even before Christ was born?
As a result, one cannot be a true Christian without believing in the Trinity.
That's called the ad populum fallacy.

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Post by Sargon » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:34 pm

delete.
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Defending the Mormon position pt 1

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Post by element13 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:19 am

"Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity in several areas. Mormons do not believe, for example, that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Mormons must work their way to heaven."
We don't teach you are saved by works alone, claiming that we do is a lie. It is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that most Christian churches you are saved by faith alone, and that works don't really matter. Yet James 2:24 explicitly teaches that faith alone is NOT sufficient for salvation: "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Salvation by "faith alone" directly and explicitly contradicts the New Testament, which says that salvation is NOT by faith alone. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17), and if dead, it is clearly not sufficient for salvation. In fact, even Paul states that even if he had "all faith" but lacked charity, he would be nothing (1 Cor. 13:3), and concludes that among faith, hope, and charity, charity is the greatest (1 Cor. 13:13). The idea that faith alone is sufficient is simply not what the Bible teaches.

The truth is that we are saved by the grace of Christ which is offered to us through a covenant, a two-way contract: if we accept Christ and do our part, following and obeying him, then Christ does everything else, forgiving us, cleansing us, healing us, and giving us power to return to the presence of the Father - not because we earned it, but because we accepted the terms upon which he offers his infinite grace and mercy. Even in the days of Moses, the Lord proclaimed that God "shows mercy to those that keep his commandments" (Deut. 5:10), a principle that has not changed.

This doctrine is clear, powerful, and beautiful, and is the core doctrine of the Mormon Church, for which we are called non-Christian by our enemies and even by sincere, well-meaning people.

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