1stjohn0666 wrote:I believe what the bible says "believe that I am he" (the Messiah) If salvation is only found by believing that Jesus is God, I certainly want to see that doctrine "FROM" the bible.
Yes it does …
John 17:5, 6, "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. 6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word
There are many verses from the bible that substantiate whom 'what Jesus' we are to believe in to be saved. But, however, your POV interprets these verses quite differently and has absolutely NO IDEA what the phrases Son of God or Son of Man
, and sent
, actually stand for, refer too, or to whom these words properly identifies.
In fact John 3:16 speaks of this as well but again your POV has no idea what begotten
really means or what the word Son
used in this verse refers too. See quote below from:
Jewish New Testament Commentary
This perhaps most famous and most quoted of verses in the New Testament epitomizes the truth of God that has come to Jews and Gentiles alike in Yeshua the Messiah. It teaches that
(1) God loves his creation, the world;
(2) to love is to give, to love much is to give much, and God loves the world so much that he gave what is most precious to him;
(3) Yeshua was fully aware in advance that he would die as God's own sacrifice;
(4) Yeshua knew that he was uniquely God's son;
(5) the destiny of man when he relies on himself and does not trust in Yeshua is total destruction (Greek apollumi, "be ruined, destroyed, lost")-not cessation of conscious existence, but the eternal suffering that is the inevitable consequence of sin; and
(6) the destiny of an individual who trusts in Yeshua is everlasting life-not only in the future but right now-not just survival beyond the grave, which everyone has (John 5:28-29; Rev 20:4-5, Rev 20:12-15), but positive life "in" Yeshua (John 1:4, John 11:25-26).
Trusting in Yeshua is not mere intellectual acknowledge-ment but adherence to, commitment to, trust in, faith in, reliance upon Yeshua as fully human, completely identified with us, and at the same time fully divine, completely identified with God.
The phrases used in the NT – Son of Man, Son of God refer to, God coming in human form to completely identified with us (Isaiah 7:14 – Isa 9:6 – Gen 3:15 –Isa 43:10 – Isa 45:18c) in order to reconcile us back to Himself. Son of God /son of Man – God and man reconciled.
Therefore - Which is proves agape love more:
Creating a man meat sacrifice – a mere creature – where God remains alone and aloof, far away to appease only a judicial notion of His?
God coming in the flesh, to die a horrible death that exposes what sin is and does, as well to justly judge and condemn sin, and rescue people from sin? God remains not far away, not aloof from us but rather God coming as one of us to know firsthand what we human beings go through in order to win us back freely - Eph 2:1-10.
Which of the two demonstrates more pure agape Love?
John 17:5, John 5:37, 42, 43, 44c, Matthew 16:16, 17, 18 speaks of these things but again, your POV trust a mere creature for Salvation that, however, can only come by God’s hand/arm alone (Isaiah 53:1, 2-12c)
...too believe in Jesus means to fully believe in who He is, what He did... that way your belief remains secure in Him and only in Him who can save to the uttermost... (Romans 10:9, 10, 11, 12, 13x - how can he be called lord if he is not the LORD - YHWH - Joel 2:32c.
Isa 48:11 For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; For how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another.
Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
Isa 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
Rev 1:17, 18 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me,
Isa 43:10, 11 "You are My witnesses," says the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior.
Isa 45:21-23 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. 22 "Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. 23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. (note John 1:1, 14c)
Php 2:10-11 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 46:9, "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me…"
Hosea 13:4, "Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me."
John 4:42, "and they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world."
Bible quotes from NASB and NKJV