Jesus is YHVH??

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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:39 am

Many Hebrew names have a definition to go behind the name as in Jonah = Dove, So If the "literal" definition is the definition of the person we must make Jonah a bird rather than a person LOL

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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by RickD » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:56 am

1stjohn0666 wrote:Many Hebrew names have a definition to go behind the name as in Jonah = Dove, So If the "literal" definition is the definition of the person we must make Jonah a bird rather than a person LOL
Yes John, we certainly have to be careful with taking names literally. For example:
john/jän/
Noun:

A toilet.
A prostitute's client.
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Sorry man. You opened yourself up for that one. y>:D<
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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by 1stjohn0666 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:58 am

:pound:
I have to give you credit on that one Rick, it was good thinking :amen:

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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:11 am

1stjohn0666 wrote:Many Hebrew names have a definition to go behind the name as in Jonah = Dove, So If the "literal" definition is the definition of the person we must make Jonah a bird rather than a person LOL
Humour aside, the verse goes He will be called "God Amongst Us".
Since his name was Jaheshua and not Immauel, the verse speaks for itself.

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Post by bippy123 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:25 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:To me its the Immanuel part.
That He would be called "God amongst us" kind of makes a huge statement, know what I mean?
True but also what about the part where he is called the everlasting father. I mean who else could the everlasting father be But God himself, plus he is called the prince of peace. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt a Prince the son of the King?
I personally cant see a way to wiggle out of this one for Jehovas Witnesses :shakehead:

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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by PaulSacramento » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:29 am

bippy123 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:To me its the Immanuel part.
That He would be called "God amongst us" kind of makes a huge statement, know what I mean?
True but also what about the part where he is called the everlasting father. I mean who else could the everlasting father be But God himself, plus he is called the prince of peace. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt a Prince the son of the King?
I personally cant see a way to wiggle out of this one for Jehovas Witnesses :shakehead:
The prophecy of Isaiah shows that Christ would be ALL that and more.
And he was.
Names like that, titles like that, were only given to God.
For a Hebrew to prophesize that a MAN would be called "God amongst Us", Eternal Father, those things are HUGE !!

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Re: Jesus is YHVH??

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Post by bippy123 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:17 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
bippy123 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:To me its the Immanuel part.
That He would be called "God amongst us" kind of makes a huge statement, know what I mean?
True but also what about the part where he is called the everlasting father. I mean who else could the everlasting father be But God himself, plus he is called the prince of peace. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt a Prince the son of the King?
I personally cant see a way to wiggle out of this one for Jehovas Witnesses :shakehead:
The prophecy of Isaiah shows that Christ would be ALL that and more.
And he was.
Names like that, titles like that, were only given to God.
For a Hebrew to prophesize that a MAN would be called "God amongst Us", Eternal Father, those things are HUGE !!
Not only that Paul, but the old testament strictly Forbids Polytheism as blasphemy against God and if JW's interpret Jesus as being a lesser God then Jehovah then they are polytheists. This is why they will always need to try to twist the ancient Koin Greek and hebrew sprictures so that it translates into what they want it to translate to, to fit with their religion, even though almost all greek and hebrew scholars say they have butchered these translations and are completely wrong about them.

If they then say that they dont worship Jesus, not only do they go against the new testament (Jesus accepted worship to him and said it was good), but they go against their history which shows that they have many times officially said they at one point they are supposed to worship Jesus, then flip flopped many times.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:53 am

jwfacts, is one of the best websites out there for getting the correct understanding of how much the JW"s doctrines have changed.
Of course they openly admit that, saying that the current doctrines are the "new light" from the HS via the anointed Governing Body.

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Post by bippy123 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:45 am

PaulSacramento wrote:jwfacts, is one of the best websites out there for getting the correct understanding of how much the JW"s doctrines have changed.
Of course they openly admit that, saying that the current doctrines are the "new light" from the HS via the anointed Governing Body.
Yea, I just started looking through it Paul :)

Some anointed governing body lol, it's so anointed that they have twist the koine Greek and Hebrew around to try and decieve their followers about the bible.

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:23 pm

bippy123 wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:jwfacts, is one of the best websites out there for getting the correct understanding of how much the JW"s doctrines have changed.
Of course they openly admit that, saying that the current doctrines are the "new light" from the HS via the anointed Governing Body.
Yea, I just started looking through it Paul :)

Some anointed governing body lol, it's so anointed that they have twist the koine Greek and Hebrew around to try and decieve their followers about the bible.
Well, caveat emporium, right?

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