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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by theophilus » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:46 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Well, that can't be LITERAL morning and evenings since they happen at times BEFORE the creation of the sun and starts to divide the day into "day and night" ( which only happens in chapter 14).

You obviously didn't check the link that was in my post.
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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:02 am

theophilus wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Well, that can't be LITERAL morning and evenings since they happen at times BEFORE the creation of the sun and starts to divide the day into "day and night" ( which only happens in chapter 14).

You obviously didn't check the link that was in my post.
I did and disagree.
The author does NOT take the reading of Genesis literally and creates a situation that the bible does not mention:
If you read the Bible account carefully you will see that it says that God placed lights in the sky, not that he created the bodies that were the source of those lights. There were three days and three nights before this. That proves that the sun already existed. We have all experienced times when the sky was covered with clouds that kept us from seeing the sun but still allowed light to reach the ground. A condition like this must have existed during the first three days of the earth’s creation. On the fourth day the cloud cover was removed so the sun, moon, and stars could be seen.
Genesis is quite clear when the sun and moon were created ( the greater and lesser lights) and NOWHERE do you find mention of a "cloud cover" in Genesis.

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by theophilus » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:01 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Genesis is quite clear when the sun and moon were created ( the greater and lesser lights) and NOWHERE do you find mention of a "cloud cover" in Genesis.
The Bible doesn't say anything was created on the fourth day; it only says that lights were placed in the sky. Nothing is said about a cloud cover but its existence in inferred from what the Bible does say.
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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:31 am

theophilus wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Genesis is quite clear when the sun and moon were created ( the greater and lesser lights) and NOWHERE do you find mention of a "cloud cover" in Genesis.
The Bible doesn't say anything was created on the fourth day; it only says that lights were placed in the sky. Nothing is said about a cloud cover but its existence in inferred from what the Bible does say.
Inferred?

Ah, so the 4th day was NOT a creative day? nothing was created on the fourth day?
So we have only 5 days of creation?

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by Starhunter » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:24 am

Has anybody considered asking God for the correct answer?

Anybody interested in this topic, could ask God if He thinks the answer is important, and if He could show every individual, in His own way, an answer to bring to the table in 7 days to compare notes. This means everybody is prepared to give up their preconceived and learned ideas and accept an answer, or no answer.

The date today is the 28th August, and lets say we talk again after September the 4th.

If you want to bring proof from an authentic Bible, that's what God expects as well as communication.
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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by theophilus » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:44 am

PaulSacramento wrote:Ah, so the 4th day was NOT a creative day? nothing was created on the fourth day?
So we have only 5 days of creation?
Here is what the Bible says about the fourth day:
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.”

And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
(Genesis 1:14-19 ESV)
God brought about a change on the fourth day. Before that there were no lights visible in the sky; now there were. There are two ways he could have done this. He could have created the lights or he could have changed the conditions of the atmosphere so that lights that already existed would be visible. If we limit ourselves to this verse alone we can't tell which of these two possibilities is correct; in fact the first interpretation would seem more likely. But the fact that light existed on earth and there was day and night before this day shows that the sun already existed and so the second interpretation must be the correct one.
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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:02 am

Starhunter wrote:Has anybody considered asking God for the correct answer?

Anybody interested in this topic, could ask God if He thinks the answer is important, and if He could show every individual, in His own way, an answer to bring to the table in 7 days to compare notes. This means everybody is prepared to give up their preconceived and learned ideas and accept an answer, or no answer.

The date today is the 28th August, and lets say we talk again after September the 4th.

If you want bring proof from an authentic Bible, that's what God expects as well as communication.
Personal revelation is just that, personal.

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:06 am

theophilus wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Ah, so the 4th day was NOT a creative day? nothing was created on the fourth day?
So we have only 5 days of creation?
Here is what the Bible says about the fourth day:
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.”

And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.
(Genesis 1:14-19 ESV)
God brought about a change on the fourth day. Before that there were no lights visible in the sky; now there were. There are two ways he could have done this. He could have created the lights or he could have changed the conditions of the atmosphere so that lights that already existed would be visible. If we limit ourselves to this verse alone we can't tell which of these two possibilities is correct; in fact the first interpretation would seem more likely. But the fact that light existed on earth and there was day and night before this day shows that the sun already existed and so the second interpretation must be the correct one.
Except what you you quoted doesn't say that, it says GOD MADE THE TWO LIGHTS...

And ends by saying,"...the fourth day".

According to your interpretation, there was no creative process on this 4th day of "creation", so that means there were only 5 creation days.
Not to mention the use of "Let there be..." is used as a creation proclamation in Genesis 1 or at the very least a divine act of making something happen.

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by Starhunter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:29 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Personal revelation is just that, personal.
Yes, it's wonderful how God reveals truth to any individual who asks.

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:58 am

Starhunter wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Personal revelation is just that, personal.
Yes, it's wonderful how God reveals truth to any individual who asks.
Indeed But it is NOT admissible as evidence.

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Re: Evening and morning

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Post by Starhunter » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:49 pm

Starhunter wrote:Has anybody considered asking God for the correct answer?

Anybody interested in this topic, could ask God if He thinks the answer is important, and if He could show every individual, in His own way, an answer to bring to the table in 7 days to compare notes. This means everybody is prepared to give up their preconceived and learned ideas and accept an answer, or no answer.

The date today is the 28th August, and lets say we talk again after September the 4th.

If you want to bring proof from an authentic Bible, that's what God expects as well as communication.
It's the 4th of Sept, did anyone pray to God and get an answer?

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