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dinosaurs and man coexisted?
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:38 pm
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:52 am
I've been reading YEC arguments recently. Two points:
1) God is capable of forming the earth in a mature state. For example, Adam, when formed might have looked like a 30 year old, however, his age might have been only 1 day (I think Felgar has mentioned something similar somewhere else on this forum).
2) A lot of geological and fossil evidence for OEC can be possibly explained by a global flood.
Following on from this, I went to a seminar recently where a creation scientist presented evidence that dinos existed with humans. I'm almost convinced!
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:16 pm
Just thought you guys might be interested in Rich's article concerning the appearance of age argument. He might be a little harsh in his language, but I think his points stand pretty well.
That said, I've not studied the arguments than man and the dinosaurs existed at the same time, but I'll admit that I'm biased against it . . .
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:53 pm
I don't think they did.
I read this somewhere
The Bible does not present God as a deliberately deceptive God who deliberately produces evidence that would mislead sincere seeking inch- viduals. Why would God place a dried out dinosaur in a deposit thousands of feet underground if the animal in fact never lived? The answer is that He would not. As Einstein said, "God is subtle, but He's not malicious."
A more logical and consistent approach to the creation is to realize that God has made (asah) much of what is on the earth as well as creating it! Genesis 2:3 closes the history of Earth of the first chapter by saying:
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.
Both processes were involved in all of the things that God produced. Not only was the matter created in Genesis 1:1, but that matter was shaped and molded into a finished "heaven and earth." In order for that to happen, some making, and forming, and shaping had to take place. This molding and shaping is a continuous process - still in operation in various ways today. It is very possible that a living ecosystem operated in Genesis 1:1 to produce Earth. Bacteria may have swarmed in the oceans and giant plants may have lived in great swamps. Dinosaurs may have roamed freely accomplishing their purpose in being. The purpose of all of this would have been to prepare Earth for man. This living ecosystem would have produced the coal, oil, gas, and the like, as well as providing the basis of man's ultimate food supply!
if it interests you are all the rest of what the scientist has to say and many other topics on science supporting the existance of God can be found here.
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:11 pm
what about that dinosaur that is supposedly described in the book of job?
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:13 pm
btw, I do believe in the Day-Age interpretation, but I do find that a bit peculiar, as the creature described in the Bible does seem to be oddly dinosaur-like.
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:24 pm
yeah, i still think we lived at the same time.
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:02 pm
Mastermind wrote:what about that dinosaur that is supposedly described in the book of job?
Noone really knows what is being referred to in Job. Some posit hippos and crocodiles, others (YECs) swing towards some kind of dinosaur. Many who take a side are being presumptuous, and are certain in their own opinions based on what suits them more. The passages in Job of a "behemoth" and "leviathan" are obscure at best. So perhaps we will just have to ask God when this life is over what He meant.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:29 am
Crocodiles would seem to fit, however they are hardly big enough to deserve the name "behemoth". Is it really that absurd to believe some dinosaurs survived? Like in Doyle's "The Lost World"?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:38 pm
Behemoth could be anything, it might be a comodo dragon for all we know, although I don't know if they existed in that part of the world, but its possible. There are a ton of animals in existence right now that could explain that passage, so I'm skeptical of dinosaurs existing along with man.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:30 pm
I believe many mythological creatures existed, so even if I believe in an old earth(I like the idea of a 6 billion years old earth as a LOT could have, and probably did happen that we know nothing about), I wouldn't automatically line up with the skeptics in a debate like this. Hell, even the bible mentions unicorns and cockatrices, so it's not like I'm by myself.
Although i've seen some people use those against the bible, calling it a "fairy tale", I fail to understand why it is so difficult to believe that a deadly snake or horses who evolved horns on their heads(because i've never seen an animal with horns on their heads in my entire life </sarcasm>) might have existed sometime in the past.
Re: dinosaurs and man coexisted?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:15 pm
Have you ever heard of any historical reports of herds of dinos attacking towns, villages, cities, etc.? Seems to me if the two coexisted we would. We read about tsunamis, earthquakes, plagues, famines, droughts, hurricans, etc., but never once I have heard about dinos. My opinion, not even refering to scientific evidence or the Bible, is humans and dinos never lived together.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:48 pm
if only a few dinosaurs managed to survive, i wouldn't expect to hear about them.
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:00 pm
Mastermind wrote:if only a few dinosaurs managed to survive, i wouldn't expect to hear about them.
Managed to survive what?
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:17 pm
their supposed extinction. Maybe something like the lost world.