the "eclipse"

[Prodigal Son]

since it's been determined that the "eclipse" at Jesus' crucifixion couldn't be an eclipse (because there was a full moon at that time), how does science explain what happened?

[Mastermind]

cloudy day?

[Believer]

since it's been determined that the "eclipse" at Jesus' crucifixion couldn't be an eclipse (because there was a full moon at that time), how does science explain what happened?

I would have to say, during that time when Jesus was on the Earth and the heavenly Father watched over him, laws of nature were changed, and something out of the oridinary happened. Remember the old saying "God works in mysterious ways", I hold true to that.

[Kurieuo]

To quote something which adds credibility to the eclipse as recorded in the Gospels:

Thallus: (52 A.D.)

One of the first secular writers that mentioned Christ. Thallus wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his own time. Unfortunately, his writings are only found as citations by others. Julius Africanus, a Christian who wrote about AD 221 mentioned Thallus' account of an eclipse of the sun (Luke 23:44-45).

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. [For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse occur when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?]" (addition in brackets from http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/hist/thallus.html)

Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

PHLEGON: (1st Century)

A secular historian wrote a history named, "Chronicles." This original work has been lost, Julius Africanus preserved a small fragment in his writings. Phlegon mentions the eclipse (Matthew 27:45) during the crucifixion of Jesus.

"During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun occurred during the full moon."

Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

Secular Historians Outside The Bible That Record Jesus Christ And Christianity

Kurieuo.

[AttentionKMartShoppers]

cloudy day?

Even "stupid" people in the past would know the difference between a cloudy sky and a dark sky...

[Mastermind]

cloudy day?

Even "stupid" people in the past would know the difference between a cloudy sky and a dark sky...

Oh? There's a metaphysical property of clouds that makes light passing through them 100% efficient, thus making it unable for clouds to cause darkness that I didn't know about?

[voicingmaster]

cloudy day?

Even "stupid" people in the past would know the difference between a cloudy sky and a dark sky...

Oh? There's a metaphysical property of clouds that makes light passing through them 100% efficient, thus making it unable for clouds to cause darkness that I didn't know about?

No but, when you look up in the sky and see a lot of clouds, that's generally a pretty good indication of it's not an eclipse, but a cloudy day. People 2000 years ago didn't know much about science, but they aren't that stupid to confuse clouds with a mysterious eclipse. And even an overcast lets some light through, even rainy clouds. Clouds can be dark and block light, but they're essentially only water, they can't block much light, not enough to make a "total darkness".

[AttentionKMartShoppers]

Mastermind, there is a distinct difference between a cloudy sky and a dark sky. I've been out in the middle of the day and it looked as if it was dark, it felt like it was nightime, but I could distinctly see the dark clouds which were the cause of the problem...

[Believer]

Is there ANY option for God's intervention during those times which broke the laws of everything?

[Mastermind]

Where does it say HOW the sky was darkened? All it says was that it was dark. no mention of an eclipse...

[bizzt]

Where does it say HOW the sky was darkened? All it says was that it was dark. no mention of an eclipse...

Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

[Mastermind]

Where does it say HOW the sky was darkened? All it says was that it was dark. no mention of an eclipse...

Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

cloud gets between earth and sun

moon gets between earth and sun.

same effect, different object to block the light.

Is there an EXACT quote that says it was an eclipse? Otherwise it's all guessing.

[bizzt]

Where does it say HOW the sky was darkened? All it says was that it was dark. no mention of an eclipse...

Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

cloud gets between earth and sun

moon gets between earth and sun.

same effect, different object to block the light.

Is there an EXACT quote that says it was an eclipse? Otherwise it's all guessing.

From the Bible there is no word that SAYS eclipse. Was the word even known?

As quoted above by K

Thallus: (52 A.D.)

One of the first secular writers that mentioned Christ. Thallus wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his own time. Unfortunately, his writings are only found as citations by others. Julius Africanus, a Christian who wrote about AD 221 mentioned Thallus' account of an eclipse of the sun (Luke 23:44-45).

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. [For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse occur when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?]" (addition in brackets from http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/hist/thallus.html)

Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

PHLEGON: (1st Century)

A secular historian wrote a history named, "Chronicles." This original work has been lost, Julius Africanus preserved a small fragment in his writings. Phlegon mentions the eclipse (Matthew 27:45) during the crucifixion of Jesus.

"During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun occurred during the full moon."

Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

[Mastermind]

Where does it say HOW the sky was darkened? All it says was that it was dark. no mention of an eclipse...

Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

cloud gets between earth and sun

moon gets between earth and sun.

same effect, different object to block the light.

Is there an EXACT quote that says it was an eclipse? Otherwise it's all guessing.

From the Bible there is no word that SAYS eclipse. Was the word even known?

As quoted above by K

Thallus: (52 A.D.)

One of the first secular writers that mentioned Christ. Thallus wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his own time. Unfortunately, his writings are only found as citations by others. Julius Africanus, a Christian who wrote about AD 221 mentioned Thallus' account of an eclipse of the sun (Luke 23:44-45).

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. [For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse occur when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?]" (addition in brackets from http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/hist/thallus.html)

Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

PHLEGON: (1st Century)

A secular historian wrote a history named, "Chronicles." This original work has been lost, Julius Africanus preserved a small fragment in his writings. Phlegon mentions the eclipse (Matthew 27:45) during the crucifixion of Jesus.

"During the time of Tiberius Caesar an eclipse of the sun occurred during the full moon."

Africanus, Chronography, 18:1.

yes, i am aware that there was an eclipse at that time, however it does not mean that it was the eclipse that darkened the sky. If you guys rely on the eclipse for proof, and it should turn out to be wrong, it will chew away at your faith needlessly.

[bizzt]

True but it might not be wrong. The bible said that the sun was blocked out. It could have been Clouds or it could have been an Eclipse (don't really care what it was)... All I know is what God's word says and it got Dark after Jesus Died!!