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Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:25 am
by Jasonf8676
My response to Thomas Purifoy's recent article:

https://oldearthcreationism.wordpress.c ... -creation/

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:23 pm
by Philip
Jason: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

My response to Thomas Purifoy's recent article:

https://oldearthcreationism.wordpress.c ... -creation/
If whatever creationist views are important as an apologetic to encourage belief and faith in God - I don't really see the point - certainly not from a Reformed view of God and how He has done things. In the reformed view, there is NO choice of ANY man for God - but only God's choice of certain men. Hugh Ross, Gleason Archer, all of these great apologists are involved in encouraging ALL people everywhere to belief. So while such creationist apologetics might encourage a reformed person to a more open understanding of how ancient the universe and earth are - according to Reformed beliefs, these apologetics don't save anyone - as their teachings assert man to be (only) chosen by God - and APART from whatever beliefs they might naturally have towards God, and ONLY due to GOD choosing them are their eyes ever opened. And Reformed beliefs say man has NO role in that choice - that a man cannot choose to love God BACK, as there is NO choice by man, as man's choice was made by God before time.

A main thrust of classical Christian apologetics is to encourage ALL persons to move toward faith in Christ. Reformed beliefs insist only men God has already made the choice FOR THEM (and before time) will be drawn to such arguments - meaning they would be wasted on most of humanity. According to Reformed beliefs, NO clever nuance of well-reasoned arguments ever draw a man to God - as it's ONLY the response of God that saves people - and supposedly He only wants to save SOME people, and without ever giving any such a choice to man. As the ONLY choice is supposedly God's. Clever arguments would seem unnecessary, as if God has decided to save a person, according to Reformed beliefs, it's only a matter of WHEN, with God awaiting NO one's RESPONSE to Him. But for those already saved (Reformed or not), obsessing over the age of the Creation and length of time involved, seems to be of very secondary importance.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm
by DBowling
My understanding of the Reformed Mantra goes something like...
"By Grace Alone
Through Faith Alone
In Christ Alone"

I don't see anything about "24 Hours Alone" in there...
or in Genesis 1 either... for that matter :)

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:15 pm
by RickD
Jasonf8676 wrote:My response to Thomas Purifoy's recent article:

https://oldearthcreationism.wordpress.c ... -creation/
Just curious, why did you single out Reformed Christians in your question?

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:54 pm
by Philip
My understanding of the Reformed Mantra goes something like...
"By Grace Alone
Through Faith Alone
In Christ Alone"
The Reformed mantra goes FAR beyond that - offering God's grace only to a select number who cannot resist or choose it - in which salvation is a done deal made by God long before a person ever draws their first breath - in which there is NO choice (related to one's salvation) to be made by man that God doesn't make for him! Which is why I don't get Reformed people doing apologetics to convince anyone of anything!

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:21 pm
by thatkidakayoungguy
Jasonf8676 wrote:My response to Thomas Purifoy's recent article:

https://oldearthcreationism.wordpress.c ... -creation/
Not in the "24/7" bit that YECs generally hold to, but one can if they want to.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:19 am
by Jasonf8676
RickD wrote:
Jasonf8676 wrote:My response to Thomas Purifoy's recent article:

https://oldearthcreationism.wordpress.c ... -creation/
Just curious, why did you single out Reformed Christians in your question?
Good question; the title of Purifoy's article is similar, and, although it was primarily aimed for those of the Reformed faith, it's obviously applicable to other Christians, whether Arminian, Molinist, or whoever. I could've wrote the title differently, but...it is what it is. :-)

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:23 am
by Jasonf8676
Sometimes I sense a little bit of latent hostility toward my presence on this board, although not from everyone here. I could be misinterpreting signals, but this doesn't seem like the friendliest place for discussion, or at least not for me. Just sayin'.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:24 pm
by RickD
Jasonf8676 wrote:Sometimes I sense a little bit of latent hostility toward my presence on this board, although not from everyone here. I could be misinterpreting signals, but this doesn't seem like the friendliest place for discussion, or at least not for me. Just sayin'.
I think you're probably reading too much into people's posts. A lot of us just tend to post to the point sometimes.

It's also tough to read emotions, when reading as opposed to person to person.

Also, don't take disagreement with your views as hostility towards you.

Most of the people here can be pretty blunt sometimes.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:55 pm
by thatkidakayoungguy
Jasonf8676 wrote:Sometimes I sense a little bit of latent hostility toward my presence on this board, although not from everyone here. I could be misinterpreting signals, but this doesn't seem like the friendliest place for discussion, or at least not for me. Just sayin'.
Sometimes I feel the same way. The way some word my name or refer to me sometimes seems like they think im some scary weirdo or something. I'm probably reading too much idk.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:13 am
by RickD
thatkidakayoungguy wrote:
Jasonf8676 wrote:Sometimes I sense a little bit of latent hostility toward my presence on this board, although not from everyone here. I could be misinterpreting signals, but this doesn't seem like the friendliest place for discussion, or at least not for me. Just sayin'.
Sometimes I feel the same way. The way some word my name or refer to me sometimes seems like they think im some scary weirdo or something. I'm probably reading too much idk.
People abbreviate your name because it's too long. Most of us do the same thing with ACB.

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:56 am
by Philip
See, Kid, we could have just called you "K," but that acronym is taken. And just to confuse us more, there's a Mrs. K, an Aussie - ANY relation??? y:-?

Re: Do Reformed Christians Need to Embrace Six-Day Creation?

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:34 pm
by JButler
Jasonf8676 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:23 am
Sometimes I sense a little bit of latent hostility toward my presence on this board, although not from everyone here. I could be misinterpreting signals, but this doesn't seem like the friendliest place for discussion, or at least not for me. Just sayin'.
No hostility at all. This forum has been around for some years and a lot of topics have been repeated. So if you ask one of those worn out questions you might not get a big response. Don't take it personal. One advantage to having so many "dead horse" topics is the tons of returns to read by using the SEARCH function. Sometimes I got overloaded with hits to wade through.

Don't worry about RickD. He's our version of the old grampa sleeping in the rocking chair and only wakes up for dinner or go to the restroom.