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Trump and the Anti-Christ

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Post by ultimate777 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:32 am

Fellow Christians, does the pussy grabbing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... aad9bbf2d7

seem to you like a Christlike figure, or do you not remember about what the Bible, your pastors, and other teachers told you about signs leading up to the apocolypse?

Is not the Anti-Christ supposed to delude many good people?

You are liable to find yourself in the next world with a sex crazed demon you are deluded
into thinking is Hillary for a room mate if you don't watch out.
The real Hillary will be in the other place, so don't kid youselves.

Some of you really deserve it, but maybe its not too late.

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Post by Philip » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:55 pm

ULTIMATE, YOU are on a slippery downhill slope to a ban. Maybe PERMANENT!

If all you are here for is to stir up political crap and throw out ridiculous strawmen constructs of what Christians believe about certain people, then you are soon to go! Of COURSE, the vast majority of Christians here don't just turn a blind eye to any one person, merely based upon their political affiliations - and if any does, they are blind and simply wrong! Humans, no matter their political affiliations, are apt to be very flawed people with all manner of screwed up behaviors and actions - none of which are acceptable per the teachings of Christ and the Bible. Even those truly Christians of faith in Christ, have the potential (and DO) for all kinds of regrettable and terrible things.

Again, if you refuse to stop trying to stir up unnecessary controversy and arguments - hit the road, Jack! I sincerely hope you get the message!

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Post by ultimate777 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:16 am

It just seems to me that many here do just turn a blind eye to one person, merely based upon their political affiliations, that's one thing that really drives me. I wish I knew more "appropriate" places to "stir up my political crap" than here but the old fashioned newsgroup, or whatever we used to call it seems to have disappeared.



I'm sorry if I implied the vast majority of Christians just turn a blind eye, it's just those most active and likely to stir things up.
The unsilent minority. I'm just trying to bring some balance to the proceedings with my own ""stirring up."

I feel like a German member of the Christian Democratic Party in 1933, who "must be silenced."

I say this just me to you.


I( hope you want to reply, and you reply here, so I can find you.

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Post by Hortator » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:31 pm

Yeah, this is why I don't prefer mixing politics with Christianity.

Not that politics could be corrupted by Christianity: quite the other way around. Do we want to sully God by pulling His name through the most despicable profession in modern times? I don't think so.

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Post by ultimate777 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:04 am

Hortator wrote:Yeah, this is why I don't prefer mixing politics with Christianity.

Not that politics could be corrupted by Christianity: quite the other way around. Do we want to sully God by pulling His name through the most despicable profession in modern times? I don't think so.
Well, just so long as the most despicable profession isn't the oldest profession :pound:

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Post by ultimate777 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:19 am

Hortator wrote:Yeah, this is why I don't prefer mixing politics with Christianity.

Not that politics could be corrupted by Christianity: quite the other way around. Do we want to sully God by pulling His name through the most despicable profession in modern times? I don't think so.

What do you think would happen if Christians had nothing to do with politics? Imagine no Christians would vote, run for office, or try to influence government in any way any where?

Think of what all would fill the vacuum.

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Post by gardener59 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:28 am

Ultimate777 made a very valid point. Also Trump is a billionaire who invests his money in gambling casinos (we know how Jesus feels about that), resorts for the extreme wealthy. We know what the bible says about rich people, and spiritual wickedness in high places. Jesus also said "when you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who pray on street corners and in synagogues where everyone can see them" which is what Trump does. Trump is like the Pharisees that Jesus called vipers and snakes. I could go on and on proving my point by using the bible. Ultimate777 is not stirring up unnecessary controversy, it's just the truth that needs to be addressed.

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Re: Trump and the Anti-Christ

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Post by gardener59 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:47 am

Bible quote: "a lover of self, a lover of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient, ungrateful, unholy, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not a lover of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lover of pleasure, having a form of godliness but denying its power, have nothing to do with such a person" 2 Timothy 3 I think Trump falls under most of that.

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Re: Trump and the Anti-Christ

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Post by B. W. » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:09 am

ultimate777 wrote:
Hortator wrote:Yeah, this is why I don't prefer mixing politics with Christianity.

Not that politics could be corrupted by Christianity: quite the other way around. Do we want to sully God by pulling His name through the most despicable profession in modern times? I don't think so.

What do you think would happen if Christians had nothing to do with politics? Imagine no Christians would vote, run for office, or try to influence government in any way any where?

Think of what all would fill the vacuum.
To the the Gas chambers for Christians, and then Islam becomes the predominate rule in America and many leftist wake up to realize how empty and stupid their Christianphobic and Jewish-phobia hate really is...

No utopia, no universal health care, only a new and larger Venezuela... happening now...

Disillusionment at their own ideas were used to betray a free society...
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Post by B. W. » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:17 am

gardener59 wrote:Bible quote: "a lover of self, a lover of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient, ungrateful, unholy, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not a lover of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lover of pleasure, having a form of godliness but denying its power, have nothing to do with such a person" 2 Timothy 3 I think Trump falls under most of that.
You are also describing Hilary and Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and the entire Democrat party and all leftist as well - Geroge Soros and His sons, etc and etc...


Stop projecting the fault of the leftist in America onto those you oppose.

In fact the verse you cite speak of an entire population, not those in power, an entire people and guess what, entire populations are becoming more of these with each passing day...

Also please cite your sources... the verse reads For men (People) will be lovers of self, etc and etc . not a lover of self...

2Ti 3:1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. NASB

Trump-like ‘Julius Caesar’ assassinated in New York play
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c11cc3bd0e

President and Melania Trump denounce Kathy Griffin beheading photo, question the mental health of its creators
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3209104
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Re: Trump and the Anti-Christ

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Post by abelcainsbrother » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:21 am

ultimate777 wrote:Fellow Christians, does the pussy grabbing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... aad9bbf2d7

seem to you like a Christlike figure, or do you not remember about what the Bible, your pastors, and other teachers told you about signs leading up to the apocolypse?

Is not the Anti-Christ supposed to delude many good people?

You are liable to find yourself in the next world with a sex crazed demon you are deluded
into thinking is Hillary for a room mate if you don't watch out.
The real Hillary will be in the other place, so don't kid youselves.

Some of you really deserve it, but maybe its not too late.

Trump cannot be the anti-christ.Here read this Daniel 11:36-37. I just want to remind Never Trumpers that Donald Trump has did more for Christians and the things that are important to them than any other President we have had both Republican and Democrat.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.

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Post by B. W. » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:32 am

Yes, People are becoming more 2 Tim 2:2,3,4, like

Trump-like ‘Julius Caesar’ assassinated in New York play
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c11cc3bd0e

President and Melania Trump denounce Kathy Griffin beheading photo, question the mental health of its creators
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3209104

2Ti 3:1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. NASB

Aren't they???

Watch Bernie Sanders Attack a Christian Nominee and Impose an Unconstitutional Religious Test for Public Office

So is Islam Jewish phobic - do they accept Israel's right to exist?

Is Islam, the Quran, Christianphobic?

Does Islam's Christianphobic and Jewishphobic supercede common sense?

Do you all realize what has happened and is happening in Dearborne MI?
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Post by gardener59 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:34 am

B. W. wrote:
gardener59 wrote:Bible quote: "a lover of self, a lover of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient, ungrateful, unholy, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not a lover of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lover of pleasure, having a form of godliness but denying its power, have nothing to do with such a person" 2 Timothy 3 I think Trump falls under most of that.
You are also describing Hilary and Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and the entire Democrat party and all leftist as well - Geroge Soros and His sons, etc and etc...


Stop projecting the fault of the leftist in America onto those you oppose.

In fact the verse you cite speak of an entire population, not those in power, an entire people and guess what, entire populations are becoming more of these with each passing day...

Also please cite your sources... the verse reads For men (People) will be lovers of self, etc and etc . not a lover of self...

2Ti 3:1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. NASB

Trump-like ‘Julius Caesar’ assassinated in New York play
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c11cc3bd0e

President and Melania Trump denounce Kathy Griffin beheading photo, question the mental health of its creators
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3209104
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Just to be clear, I'm not a democrat, I'm all for a 3rd party though. The only president I wanted to vote for was Ross Perot. I don't think Trump is the Anti-Christ. I just see him as a Hollywood/Vegas type who got a lot of money from his parents and invested in the most decadent, immoral, businesses in our country (how noble) making billions, and kept dumping wives to get one 20 yrs. younger. For the first time in history we have a first lady that's a stripper model you can find nude pictures of that are not photo shopped. He's an ego maniac that's in love with himself. "America First" is the most selfish unchristian campaign slogan I've ever heard. Building a Mexican wall is just retarded. I question his intelligence there, and his supporters. Walls don't work, they never have. You can build tunnels under them, and fly planes over them. He wants to give tax breaks to the rich (like they need money) when there are kids going hungry in our country. He defunds Planned Parenthood who provide healthcare for poor women, it's not about abortion. Planned Parenthood saved my life as a young girl diagnosed with cervical cancer when I had no insurance or money back in the 70s. He could just defund abortion only which I would agree with, which is the main reason I'm against Hillary because she's for partial birth abortion which is (there's no words for it horrible). If this is a Christian's ideal president, um whatever.

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Post by gardener59 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:21 pm

Now I hear today that Trump wants to totally get rid of the EPA. It's safe to say that he doesn't care about our environment. Nixon (a republican) started the EPA. What the EPA has done for us: 1970 On December 2, the United States Environmental Protection Agency is established to protect the nation's public health and environment. Its national role includes finding ways to cleanup and prevent pollution, ensuring compliance and enforcement of environmental laws, assisting states in environmental protection efforts, and scientific research and education to advance the nation's understanding of environmental issues.
 
Under amendments to the Clean Air Act, EPA moves to protect public health by setting national health-based standards for air pollutants, setting standards for auto emissions, and requiring states to submit new air quality plans.
 
1971 EPA and the Department of Housing and Urban Development are charged with protecting children's health through lead-based paint prevention activities, including detection and treatment of lead-based paint poisoning, limiting lead use in certain consumer items, and banning the use of lead-based interior paints in residences built or renovated by the federal government.
 
1972 EPA bans use of DDT because the widely-used pesticide is found to be cancer-causing and accumulating in the food chain, posing a risk to public health and the environment.
 
To limit raw sewage flowing into the nation's rivers, lakes and streams, EPA embarks on a major national commitment to build an advanced network of sewage treatment facilities. By 1988, virtually all U.S. cities will have built or committed to build such facilities, resulting in rivers and lakes that are safe for swimming, tourism and commercial and recreational fishing.
 
The United States and Canada sign the International Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement to begin cleanup of the Great Lakes, which contain 95 percent of the nation's fresh water and supply drinking water for 23 million Americans.
 
1973 EPA begins the ban that will phase out all use of lead in gasoline, resulting in a 98% reduction in lead levels in the air. The phase-out protects millions of children from serious, permanent learning disabilities by helping to reduce blood lead levels by 75%.
 
EPA issues its first permit limiting a factory's discharges of pollution into waterways, starting a program that now holds more than 45,000 industrial facilities accountable for water pollution.
 
1974 Under the new Safe Drinking Water Act, EPA begins work to protect public health by setting health-based standards governing the quality of the public water supply, including requirements for physical and chemical treatment of drinking water.
 
EPA sets the first national standards limiting industrial water pollution, launching a program that today prevents one billion pounds of toxics from reaching our rivers, lakes, and streams each year.
 
1975 EPA assumes responsibility for annually monitoring how cars and light trucks perform under new fuel economy standards--a move that, for the first time, allows consumers to choose cars based on their energy efficiency--under the new Energy Policy and Conservation Act.
 
Car makers begin installing catalytic converters in new motor vehicles to meet EPA emission standards designed to protect public health from harmful air pollution.
 
1976 Responding to public concern over "midnight dumping" of toxic wastes, EPA starts to establish controls over hazardous waste from the time it is generated, through transportation, treatment, storage and disposal, under the new Resource Conservation and Recovery Act.
 
EPA begins efforts to protect public health through controls on toxic chemicals that pose an unreasonable risk of injury. The new Toxic Substances Control Act sets the stage for EPA's ban that will phase out production and use of cancer-causing PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls), a widely-used material often discharged into the environment.
 
1977 Air quality and visibility in national parks and wilderness is further protected with new amendments to the Clean Air Act, with provisions that preserve clean air in these important natural areas.
 
1978 EPA and other federal agencies ban the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) as a propellant in most aerosol cans. CFCs destroy the earth's ozone layer, which protects life on earth from the harmful ultraviolet rays of the sun.
 
1979 Because of their potential for causing cancer and other adverse health effects, EPA bans two herbicides containing dioxins, chemical compounds that are byproducts of certain industrial activities that cause cancer and other adverse health effects. One of the herbicides was an ingredient in the defoliant Agent Orange.
 
1980 Building on earlier efforts to clean up toxic waste sites, EPA develops a nationwide program for toxic waste site cleanups under the new Superfund law, as well as establishing a list of the most hazardous toxic sites in the U.S. The new law is in part prompted by Love Canal--an industrial dumping ground since the 1970s--which New York State declared a "grave and imminent peril" to nearby residents two years earlier.
 
1984 Concerns about gasoline and hazardous chemicals seeping from storage tanks and landfills into underground drinking water supplies prompt new amendments to the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, under which EPA institutes efforts to prevent such contamination and require treatment of hazardous wastes prior to land disposal.
 
1985 After British scientists report a giant hole in the Earth's protective atmospheric ozone layer, EPA joins an international convention in Vienna calling for worldwide cooperative efforts to eliminate use of substances that deplete the ozone layer.
 
1986 Public concern about explosions and leaks of toxic chemicals, such as occurred in Bhopal, India, helps lead to passage of the first community right-to-know law directing manufacturers, users and storers of certain chemicals to keep records about the location, quantity, use, and any release of those materials, and for EPA to make such information available to the public. EPA also begins to work with states and localities to prevent accidents and develop emergency plans in the case of dangerous releases of chemicals.
 
1987 The United States is one of 24 nations that sign the Montreal Protocol, pledging to phase out production of CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons), which are widely used as refrigerants and aerosols but are linked to destruction of the protective atmospheric ozone layer.
 
1989 EPA makes publicly available the first annual community right-to-know information on the location and nature of toxic chemical releases in communities around the country, through the new Toxics Release Inventory. A major chemical corporation pledges to reduce such releases by 90% (and later meets that goal).
 
1990 EPA assesses a penalty of $15 million--the largest single civil penalty in the Agency's history--against Texas Eastern Gas Pipeline Company, for extensive PCB contamination at 89 sites. In addition to the fine, the company is required to pay for PCB cleanups estimated to exceed $750 million.
 
EPA develops and implements new Clean Air Act Amendments under which states must, for the first time, demonstrate continuing progress toward meeting national health-based air quality standards for harmful pollutants such as smog and carbon monoxide.
 
In keeping with the new Pollution Prevention Act that encourages industry to control toxic emissions by using cost-effective changes in production, EPA inaugurates the first major public-private partnership to significantly reduce polluting industrial emissions.
 
Reducing Risk, a landmark report from EPA's Science Advisory Board, calls for the setting of national environmental priorities and greater use of science in decision-making on environmental regulation.
 
1991 In the largest environmental criminal damage settlement in history, Exxon Corporation and Exxon Shipping agree to pay $25 million in fines, $100 million in immediate payment to the U.S. and Alaska governments for restoration work, and establish a $900 million remediation fund arising from the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.
 
Under EPA's coordination, all Federal agencies begin using recycled and recyclable products whenever possible, under a new government-wide policy, a move that will vastly increase the market for such products. Separately, EPA finds that recycling of hazardous wastes has increased 127% in just the two-year period since 1989.
 
EPA joins other federal agencies in assessing the danger to human health and environmental damage from the intentional oil spills and 700 oil well fires set by Iraqi troops in Kuwait during the Arabian Gulf War.
 
1992 To protect seashore recreation, ocean life, and the fishing industry, EPA's ban ends dumping of sewage sludge into oceans and coastal waters.
 
1993 EPA consolidates and toughens its environmental enforcement program to ensure compliance with environmental laws and to penalize polluters who break those laws.
 
EPA announces the Common Sense Initiative, a sweeping effort to fundamentally shift environmental regulation--moving away from the pollutant-by-pollutant, crisis-by-crisis approach of the past to an industry-by-industry approach for the future. This new approach is designed to achieve results that are cleaner, cheaper and smarter--cleaner for the environment, cheaper for business and taxpayers, and smarter for America's future.
 
To protect public health and increase food safety, EPA begins a major initiative to encourage manufacturers to develop new, safer pesticides.
 
EPA's comprehensive scientific evaluation of independent research finds that secondhand cigarette smoke can cause cancer and impair the respiratory health of children and others.
 
EPA reports that curbside recycling programs and related efforts have tripled the recycling rate for the nation's trash--from 7% of all non-hazardous waste collected in 1970 to nearly 22% in 1993.
 
1994 EPA announces a new set of pollution-control standards to reduce by 90% the toxic air pollutants from chemical plants by 1997. This action will result in the biggest reduction in air toxics in U.S. history.
 
After decades of conflict, the Clinton Administration negotiates a consensus plan to protect the most valuable economic and environmental resource of the state of California--water. The San Francisco Bay Delta supplies drinking water to two-thirds of the State's people and provides irrigation for 45% of America's fruits and vegetables.
 
Superfund cleanups are greatly accelerated, resulting in as many cleanups completed in 12 months as were completed in the program's first decade--an accomplishment that will be repeated in 1995 as well.
 
New grants are launched by EPA to help 50 U.S. communities revitalize inner-city brownfields--abandoned, contaminated sites that were formerly industrial or commercial properties--and return them to productive use for the community, resulting in both economic and environmental gains.
 
The Clinton Administration nearly doubles the list of toxic chemicals that must be publicly reported under the community right-to-know laws, giving Americans a dramatic increase in the information they need about toxic pollution from manufacturing facilities in communities nationwide.
 
1995 Two-thirds of the U.S. metropolitan areas with unhealthy air in 1990 have now met air quality standards, making the air safer to breathe for 50 million Americans in major cities such as San Francisco and Detroit.
 
EPA issues new requirements for municipal incinerators to reduce toxic emissions by 90%.
 
To achieve better environmental results, provide regulatory flexibility, and maintain accountability, President Clinton announces Project XL--for excellence and leadership. Under the new initiative, 50 companies, facilities, states and localities will develop innovative ways to achieve results that go beyond those required by environmental regulations--and do so in more common-sense and cost-effective ways.

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Re: Trump and the Anti-Christ

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:47 am

Until people realize that Trump is the symptom of the problem and they deal with the problem ( instead of focusing on Trump), then the issues will not go away.

EX:
This election showed that the mainstream media is bias and can't be trusted and, also, that they are incompetent.
What has the media done about this?
Nothing, simply stated that it isn't true and ignored the problem and hopes it goes away.

And there you have it, denying the real issue because it involves YOU have to change, to admit where you are wrong and to fix the problem, instead of simply blaming someone else.
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