crochet1949 wrote:Okay -- I see where you're coming from.
I'm not sure you do.
And it Does matter. And God's Word Is the authority. And it Does help to find out what the other person Is Talking about.
All true, but I'm concerned about what you think is "God's Word." You simply pick up a bible, no doubt an English version probably published in the US, perhaps a 'New King James Version' or a 'New Revised Standard Version', and pronounce it "God's Word", but I don't think it's as simple as that. All its elements have gone through elaborate selection and translation procedures, by humans, all of whom left notes explaining how difficult it is to extract the definitive "Word" from it. You have agreed that it contains Literature, History, Poetry, Laws, Regulations and various other kinds of "Word", but it is not always easy to decide which is which, and you don't seem to want to allow anybody else's conclusions above your own.
God's Word Does state there was a global flood.
It also states that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. I think there's a little exaggeration in each case, for effect.
Because God has told us Why He saw fit to destroy the world that He created. He created us with freedom of choice and the freedom to obey His Word or Not to. And that there Are consequences to our actions. We might not Appreciate His Word or the consequences of not following it.
That is indeed probably the moral of the story, but it is not necessarily evidence that the story is literally true, any more than the story of the prodigal son.
How many of us who have children have rules to follow in our house hold. The rules are Known -- maybe not appreciated by our kids -- they are for their own well-being -- when they choose to Not follow -- there Are negative consequences.
There are indeed. I hope your own children were not so horrible that you felt the urge to drown them all and start again...
So -- was / Is God powerful enough TO create this world and the animals and people in 6 24-hr days or Not?
Of course. The question is not what he could have done, but what he actually did do. I find the seven day creation story describes rather a naive and unimaginative creator compared to that inferred by the billion year evolution story. If I was God (and I was made in his image, you know) I'd much rather create a mechanism that unfolded so variously, so continuously, and so exquisitely coherently, than successively plonk a whole load of animals on the earth, get fed up with them, wipe them all out and start again.
I have No problem quoting Bible Because it IS the definitive arbiter of Truth.
I also have no problem quoting the bible; we can all do that, and I have no problem with the bible being the definitive arbiter of truth, I had a good Christian upbringing too. Our collective problem is in deciding what the arbiter of truth actually means, and I'm afraid a literal interpretation of one particular version of the bible won't do for me.