Chicken or the egg?

Discussion about scientific issues as they relate to God and Christianity including archaeology, origins of life, the universe, intelligent design, evolution, etc.
User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Chicken or the egg?

#1

Post by RickD » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:29 pm

Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

Danieltwotwenty
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2879
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:01 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Aussie Land
Has liked: 37 times
Been liked: 11 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#2

Post by Danieltwotwenty » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:42 pm

1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#3

Post by RickD » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:11 am

Daniel,

When googling an answer to a question, isn't it usually good etiquette to read until the end?
If you did, you would've seen that particular article didn't say "neither". It said:
So, the egg must have come first.
But I wasn't really looking for someone to just do a google search and post a link. I can do that. I was looking for someone who actually knew something about the subject, so I could get an explanation.

Nevertheless, that's one vote for the egg.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

User avatar
Storyteller
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3053
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:54 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: UK
Has liked: 188 times
Been liked: 340 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#4

Post by Storyteller » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:00 am

Neither....

God came first :)
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran

Proinsias
Advanced Senior Member
Posts: 889
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:09 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Location: Scotland
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 0

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#5

Post by Proinsias » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:37 am

Eggs have been around for a long while, chickens are relatively new on the scene.

User avatar
Silvertusk
Board Moderator
Posts: 1952
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:38 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: United Kingdom
Has liked: 8 times
Been liked: 24 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#6

Post by Silvertusk » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:47 am

RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The egg.

Scrambled for breakfast followed by Chicken Tonight for dinner. :ebiggrin:

Kenny
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3663
Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:17 pm
Christian: No
Sex: Male
Creation Position: I don't believe in creation
Has liked: 3 times
Been liked: 74 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#7

Post by Kenny » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:17 am

RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The Egg with a different type of bird inside it.

Kne
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9228
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 124 times
Been liked: 349 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#8

Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:35 am

RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The egg in theory because the "new chicken" species would have had to have been BORN new, it would not have "mutated" during it's life time to be a "chicken" and then lay an egg with a "chicken" inside it.
It would have to have been the "first laid" of a new species.
So the Egg came first, it just wasn't laid by the same species of chicken as what is in the egg.
Supposedly.

User avatar
Byblos
Old School
Posts: 6028
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:21 pm
Christian: Yes
Location: NY
Has liked: 100 times
Been liked: 142 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#9

Post by Byblos » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:08 am

Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The Egg with a different type of bird inside it.

Kne
Lol yeah, I was thinking just that. Some years ago I watched a documentary on the subject, an hour-long that promised to finally answer the age-old question of which came first, the chicken or the egg. The much-hyped conclusion was that it was indeed the egg, produced by a wild chicken. y#-o
Needless to say my reaction was one of absolute disappointment.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.

Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#10

Post by RickD » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:48 am

Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The Egg with a different type of bird inside it.

Kne
Umm...ok... y:-/

Ken,

You do realize the chicken or egg question is referring to a chicken or a chicken egg, don't you?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#11

Post by RickD » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:55 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:Just been thinking late at night when I should be sleeping.

According to evolution, what came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? y~:>
The egg in theory because the "new chicken" species would have had to have been BORN new, it would not have "mutated" during it's life time to be a "chicken" and then lay an egg with a "chicken" inside it.
It would have to have been the "first laid" of a new species.
So the Egg came first, it just wasn't laid by the same species of chicken as what is in the egg.
Supposedly.
Ok, I'm hoping you or someone can explain this further.
Since evolution is about science, and what can be shown by science, is it possible, scientifically, to show that a different species of bird could reproduce a species that is different than itself, as you're suggesting?

In other words, we have a male bird species x that mates with female bird species x, and it produces a chicken egg? Does this make sense to anyone?

And it would have to have been something other than a different species of chicken at one point. Because that wouldn't answer the question. A different species of chicken is still a chicken.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

User avatar
Storyteller
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3053
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:54 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: UK
Has liked: 188 times
Been liked: 340 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#12

Post by Storyteller » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:29 am

Just a thought here (and bear with me as I've had a glass of wine :)) but I reckon it could be a bit like ligers, where one parent (the father, if I remember correctly) is a lion and the other a tiger. If those then bred I'm presuming that their offspring would be ligers.
I've just read that through and it doesn't really help with the chicken and egg does it?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran

User avatar
Rob
Valued Member
Posts: 326
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:26 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Undecided
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 1 time

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#13

Post by Rob » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:32 am

Storyteller wrote:Just a thought here (and bear with me as I've had a glass of wine :)) but I reckon it could be a bit like ligers, where one parent (the father, if I remember correctly) is a lion and the other a tiger. If those then bred I'm presuming that their offspring would be ligers.
I've just read that through and it doesn't really help with the chicken and egg does it?
I'm pretty sure that ligers and other similar animals like mules are completely infertile/sterile and cannot produce offspring.

User avatar
Storyteller
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3053
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:54 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Female
Creation Position: Undecided
Location: UK
Has liked: 188 times
Been liked: 340 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#14

Post by Storyteller » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:37 am

That did cross my mind as I was posting it but wasn't sure.

Back to that then...

Male bird -x mates with female bird -y which produces a chicken egg?
Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof - Kahlil Gibran

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21641
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 203 times
Been liked: 1109 times

Re: Chicken or the egg?

#15

Post by RickD » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:38 am

I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch(pun intended), but how does this not pose a problem for the ToE?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

Post Reply