Byblos wrote: Audie wrote:
Byblos wrote:I'm wondering (too lazy to look) if there's anything on that site regarding micro vs macro evolution.
There is nothing to micro vs macro tho some imagine otherwise.
In general, maybe (although that's also debatable). But I was asking specifically from the Biologos website considering the founder of the site is none other than Dr. Francis Collins, former head of the human gemone project that completely mapped out human DNA and current director of the National Institutes of Health. He is also the author of The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief. I was just wondering if he (or his site) had anything to say regarding any differentiation between micro and macro evolution.
I know, I know, in the time I typed all of this I could've gone and checked but ... whatever.
As I understand it the micro / macro thing has been picked up to be misrepresented and exploited by certain among
the creationist movement, as a way to show that organisms can only display variations within a "kind". The evident idea
here being that there is a wall of separation between any two species, and that wall is simply the limit past which "micro"
evolution cannot go, for lo, then it would be "macro".
If someone has identified this barrier, and can tell us some things about it, then all will be seen in anew and most revealing
A little "turn about is fair play" maybe in order.
A way that those who favour this or that school of creationist thought may attack ToE is the "explain this" (for which there is no data, like say precursor forms of various Cambrian orders). The follow thru is to say along the lines of gotcha, see god did it.
At the end of micro and start of macro we see it implicitly stated that there is a sharp break, a limit, a wall.
So far, line in sand, no further.
Where are the research papers on this? It is, you know Nobel with oak leaves stuff.
Where is the winner? ( waxing rhetorical, I am)
As it is such a limit is nothing more than idle and, yes, religiously motivated speculation. But as such, it deserves a hard look.
Look at how much hangs in the balance! Identify this "missing limit" and PC is in ToE is out.
I trust you see my point, that unless someone shows us the mechanism put there presumably by God, to halt the emergence and spread of genetic variation, the "micro-macro" thing is nothing but some creobs, that respectable individuals of whatever persuasion are best advised to steer clear of in any way staking their faith on its reality.