Evidence for theistic evolution

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Audie » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:03 pm

jpbg33 wrote:First of all for any kind of evolution to be true there has to be a reason why it started. or we would have all kinds of universe all over the place in different stages of life second everything seems to be going on the same way for thousands of years now. Seems to me we would have seen some of this changing happening some where especially with all the different things there are and in thousands of years nothing has changed.

Lets try logic

For the theory of gravity to be true there has to be a reason why it started.
For atomic theory to be true...
For auto mechanics to be true...
For the English language...

Of course they all started for a reason. But see, English, mechanics and evolution are just the same, just as "true"
whether god gave them to adam and eve, or they were invented by the man in the moon.

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:11 pm

jpbg33 wrote:If being a God is not proof of evolution but that the bible is real. What is the difference in a horse five thousand years ago then a horse to day. The way horse are being bred doesn't count that is not by natural process.
Horses today are a lot different to how they were thousands of years ago, and trust me, I know horses.
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:12 pm

Audie wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:First of all for any kind of evolution to be true there has to be a reason why it started. or we would have all kinds of universe all over the place in different stages of life second everything seems to be going on the same way for thousands of years now. Seems to me we would have seen some of this changing happening some where especially with all the different things there are and in thousands of years nothing has changed.

Lets try logic

For the theory of gravity to be true there has to be a reason why it started.
For atomic theory to be true...
For auto mechanics to be true...
For the English language...

Of course they all started for a reason. But see, English, mechanics and evolution are just the same, just as "true"
whether god gave them to adam and eve, or they were invented by the man in the moon.
You believe in the man in the moon? :mrgreen:
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Audie » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:14 pm

jpbg33 wrote:If being a God is not proof of evolution but that the bible is real. What is the difference in a horse five thousand years ago then a horse to day. The way horse are being bred doesn't count that is not by natural process.
Of course, but did you know horses have bones of three toes? Odd..

Did you know earlier horses walked on three toes, each with, yes, hooves?

There are skeletons of every stage from a little 5 toed forest animal up
thru bigger ones with fewer toes and teeth better suited to grass eating,
to today's horse, who still carries a bit of its ancestors' 3 toed feet.

Its so plain a child can see it. Its pretty cool, really, I hope you get interested.
Best wishes..!

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:16 pm

That is one place where the bible account is superior to evolution it explains who and why it started. Evolution we have no idea.

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:19 pm

Unless it was God.
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:25 pm

But if it was God then why didn't he let us know it was evolution instead he lead us to believe he created everything.

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:29 pm

God told me in a vision that life on earth started via Panspermia. y>-) y>-) y>-)
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:31 pm

If God caused/created evolution He still did create everything, He created the blueprint so to speak.
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:33 pm

RickD wrote:God told me in a vision that life on earth started via Panspermia. y>-) y>-) y>-)
Maybe God should have had that flu jab!
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:36 pm

God isn't the only one that can talk to us in our dreams so it may not have been God.

In the bible he told us how and when he created every thing. in the bible he said he made birds and fish first then he made the other animals. In evolution they were being made at the same time.

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:38 pm

jpbg33 wrote:God isn't the only one that can talk to us in our dreams so it may not have been God.

In the bible he told us how and when he created every thing. in the bible he said he made birds and fish first then he made the other animals. In evolution they were being made at the same time.
No, I'm sure it was God. He distinctly said, "I am God". Why would God lie?
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:46 pm

God wouldn't lie but the devil would

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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:51 pm

jpbg33 wrote:God wouldn't lie but the devil would
No, I know it was God because in my vision, He was wearing a white robe, not a red suit with a pitchfork. It was definitely God.
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Re: Evidence for theistic evolution

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:53 pm

:pound:

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