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Post by Murray » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:45 pm

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,


10^600

The chance of DNA randomly appearing

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1,000,000,000,000,000,000

10^18

The number of seconds since the universe began 30 billion years ago




http://www.doesgodexist.org/JanFeb05/Ho ... Begin.html
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Re: DNA

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Post by narnia4 » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:03 pm

Atheists will take those odds.
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Re: DNA

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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:09 pm

Im not a betting man :ebiggrin:
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

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Post by neo-x » Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:43 pm

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,


10^600

The chance of DNA randomly appearing
There is a 100% chance that the atheist can bet his life on it and die, rather than become a Christian. :pound:
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.

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Re: DNA

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Post by Silvertusk » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:56 am

Murray wrote:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,


10^600

The chance of DNA randomly appearing

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1,000,000,000,000,000,000

10^18

The number of seconds since the universe began 30 billion years ago




http://www.doesgodexist.org/JanFeb05/Ho ... Begin.html
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Isn't it when it gets higher thatn 10^150 it is more or less 0 chance?

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Re: DNA

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Post by Silvertusk » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:57 am

Murray wrote:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,


10^600

The chance of DNA randomly appearing

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1,000,000,000,000,000,000

10^18

The number of seconds since the universe began 30 billion years ago




http://www.doesgodexist.org/JanFeb05/Ho ... Begin.html
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I presume you meant 13.7 billion years ago.

There are only 10^80 atoms in the entire universe as well.

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Post by 1over137 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:45 am

Silvertusk wrote: Isn't it when it gets higher thatn 10^150 it is more or less 0 chance?
In mathematics, a probability of 1 in 10^50 means "zero probability".
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Post by Silvertusk » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:47 am

1over137 wrote:
Silvertusk wrote: Isn't it when it gets higher thatn 10^150 it is more or less 0 chance?
In mathematics, a probability of 1 in 10^50 means "zero probability".

Ah that was it - i was the power of 100 out. :mrgreen:

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Post by Murray » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:33 am

just a question, does this not like correlate to there being a god of some sort?

1/10^600 chance that there is not a god

That's some insane odds, If I was atheist and I saw that fact I would become a deist on spot :l
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Post by Murray » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:36 am

I just got a different number, this dude says its

10^119,000

I cannot even comprehend that number, it makes my mind punch itself


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Post by spartanII » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:55 am

Murray wrote:I just got a different number, this dude says its

10^119,000

I cannot even comprehend that number, it makes my mind punch itself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNju1_-CMk
Kent Hovind :/
From what I've heard Francis Collins wrote a book about "junk DNA" but nowadays it's being found out that it isn't junk but rather useful. It even surprised Anthony Flew
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Post by RickD » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:14 am

Murray wrote:I just got a different number, this dude says its

10^119,000

I cannot even comprehend that number, it makes my mind punch itself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNju1_-CMk
Murray, I commend you're enthusiasm, and your drive. BUT , when you use a video with Kent Hovind, you automatically discredit anything you've said previously. :pound:
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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:49 am

Who says DNA appeared randomly?
It is not length of life, but depth of life. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Post by Murray » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:54 pm

O well, I didn't even realize who that man was.....
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Post by Gman » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:17 pm

There are many scientists that believe their god creates DNA by using chance.. Here is an example..

Probability of a DNA molecule forming by chance

When we apply probability theory to the correct arrangement of a DNA molecule, a similar situation is seen, as per the following quotation:

‘When we come to examine the simplest known organism capable of independent existence, the situation becomes even more fantastic. In the DNA chain of the chromosome of the bacterium E. coli, a favourite organism used by molecular biologists, the [DNA] helix consists of 3-4 million base pairs. These are all arranged in a sequence that is ’meaningful’ in the sense that it gives rise to enzyme molecules which fit the various metabolites and products used by the cell. This unique sequence represents a choice of one out of 102,000,000 alternative ways of arranging the bases! We are compelled to conclude that the origin of the first life was a unique event, which cannot be discussed in terms of probability.’5

Notice that this refers only to the correct arrangement of already formed bases. Harold J. Morowitz, Professor of Biophysics at Yale University, has taken into account the covalent bond energies required to actually form such a DNA molecule. He arrives at a probability figure for the spontaneous formation of one complete bacterium of Escherichia coli in the history of the universe, of less than one chance in 10 to the power 100 billion (which can be written 10-100,000,000,000).6

Such numbers are far too large for most people to comprehend. However, the late Sir Fred Hoyle , who was Professor of Astronomy at Cambridge University and was not a Christian, illustrated the point this way: ’Now imagine 1050 blind persons [that’s 100,000 billion billion billion billion billion people—standing shoulder to shoulder, they would more than fill our entire planetary system] each with a scrambled Rubik cube and try to conceive of the chance of them all simultaneously arriving at the solved form. You then have the chance of arriving by random shuffling [random variation] of just one of the many biopolymers on which life depends. The notion that not only the biopolymers but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial soup here on Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order.7 (Emphasis added.)

Another of Professor Hoyle’s very expressive analogies is that the chance that even the simplest self-reproducing life forms might have emerged in this way (i.e. by evolutionary processes) is comparable with the chance that ‘a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.’8

Source: http://creation.com/could-monkeys-type-the-23rd-psalm
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