The Hindu milk miracle

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The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:45 am

Are you familiar with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyTogk9kp4

Any plausible scientific explanations?
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by Gman » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:00 am

smiley wrote:Are you familiar with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyTogk9kp4

Any plausible scientific explanations?
Only demonic ones most likely... 2 Thessalonians 2:9

Or it is a spoof...
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:08 am

Gman wrote: Only demonic ones most likely... 2 Thessalonians 2:9
That's an interesting avenue that I've contemplated, but it seems to me the non-Christian can use the same reasoning for Christian miracles.

For example, the Muslim can say that the resurrection of Jesus was something Satan from the Qur'an did to fool people.
Or it is a spoof...
No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by Gman » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:19 am

smiley wrote:That's an interesting avenue that I've contemplated, but it seems to me the non-Christian can use the same reasoning for Christian miracles.

For example, the Muslim can say that the resurrection of Jesus was something Satan from the Qur'an did to fool people.
Of course.. No surprise there. Many also accused Jesus of having satanic powers in his day. Luke 11:14-15 Actually I would be surprised if they didn't whenever they saw a miracle.
No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.
I believe a majority of them are fake or are altered in some way. As an example you never see the entire spoon under the mouth of the idol. It simply could be bent to drip off that end.
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:39 am

Gman wrote: Of course.. No surprise there. Many also accused Jesus of having satanic powers in his day. Luke 11:14-15 Actually I would be surprised if they didn't whenever they saw a miracle.
Okay - so how is your reasoning any better than theirs?
No, it's not. It was on the news in dozens of countries across the planet.

I believe a majority of them are fake or are altered in some way.
No reason to assume that. It was a public event, that occured more than once, and was recorded on cameras. You're just applying an unreasonable level of skepticism because doing otherwise would contradict your philosophical presuppositions.
As an example you never see the entire spoon under the mouth of the idol. It simply could be bent to drip off that end.
Oh please. This clearly isn't true. You can see the whole spoon beneath the statue's mouth in 0:08. For crying out loud, millions of Hindu followers participated in the event, and even a group of scientists went there to investigate it. It's not a hoax.
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Post by Canuckster1127 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:01 am

How did the magicians in Pharoah's court replicate Moses' miracles?
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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:03 am

Gman has brought up a similar point already.
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Post by Canuckster1127 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:07 am

Yes I know. Remind me what your answer was?
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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:26 am

That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.
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Post by humblesmurph » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:33 am

That's freaky. Gotta get Penn and Teller on that.

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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by Canuckster1127 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:48 am

smiley wrote:That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.
Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by humblesmurph » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:53 am

Canuckster1127 wrote:
smiley wrote:That his reasoning is no better than the Pharisees whom he chastises.

In any event, the point of this thread isn't to figure out how this phenomenon can fit in the context of a Christian worldview, it is to try to offer a plausible scientific explanation if one can be given.
Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?
Wait, they aren't? Don't Christians have to take some things on faith? Isn't the idea of somebody raising from the dead contrary to science?

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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by Canuckster1127 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:59 am

Science as a method is in no ways contrary to Christianity nor incompatible.

Methodological materialism extrapolated out from science with the assumption that there is no God at work in the universe is not science; it is a worldview and philosophical framework that most definitely is not compatible with Christianity.

I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.

That's all.
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by humblesmurph » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:24 pm

Canuckster1127 wrote:Science as a method is in no ways contrary to Christianity nor incompatible.

Methodological materialism extrapolated out from science with the assumption that there is no God at work in the universe is not science; it is a worldview and philosophical framework that most definitely is not compatible with Christianity.

I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.

That's all.
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Re: The Hindu milk miracle

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Post by smiley » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:11 pm

Canuckster1127 wrote: Why do you assume that a Christian Worldview and science are incompatable?
I am...not. I don't know how you got to that conclusion.

I already demonstrated why attributing it to demons forces you to rely on double-standards with respect to miracles in the Bible. I do not, therefore, consider this explanation to be adequate.
Canuckster1127 wrote: I'm curious as to why a professed Christian is confusing the two.
Oh please. I can just smell sarcasm here. Really, I take offense at this. No matter how hard it is to believe, the fact that I argue against Christians doesn't make me a non-Christian.
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