Do you know why we trust it? I'll let God tell you why.zoegirl wrote:You can ceratinly say that we can't trust these measurements....but then, that calls into question every sense we have, doesn't it?, since we live in time and measure time as if we trust it.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
I would go further and say that we, based on trail and error have learned to do these things over the centuries and have proven these mesurements to be reliable and falsifiable in our immediate surroundings in our immediate time frame. That doesn't prove that time and space weren't divinely manipulated by our Supreme Creator. For example, who are we to say whether time existed as we know it or at all during the creation process? We can only speculate as to how it was done. But we know how long He decided to take doing it. Again see Gen 1:1.Every physical law, every force, every equation we use we use it understanding that it is trustworthy. Every sense we have we depend upon. We build bridges, buildings, interact with each other, build safety regulations with the understanidng of time and space. But now you get to say that we trust our ouw bodies and brains that God gave us?!?
Conversely, you could say that our current understanding points to a younger age as well. There is plenty of evidence to support this. Here, Some articles you may find enlightening.You can certainly say that from God's perspective and from outside time, perhaps hisorically we don't understand the operation of time and yes, could this distort our understanding? Sure....but that is NOT to say that our current understanding does not point to an old age.
Here again you are presupposing that our measurements at this point in time accurately reflect the past.Either our basic senses are trustworthy and God gifted us with brains and senses that can trust our findings or He didn't.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
According to my watch, I simply don't have time.I said to take ALL of the pieces of evidence, not just one.....you must discredit all of them and find multiple sources, not just one.....
I would say you are the one distorting scripture, here, Irqconflict. You are saying that God deliberately placed a universe in which it's own testimony cannot be trusted. God is, in effect, testing us, to see whether we believe Him or our own senses. Well, scripture in the psalms, Job, Genesis, points to the creation as an accurate testimony to God. I am not trusting the world's idea;s, i am trusting His creation.
I'm sorry but it doesn't look that way to me. This 'testimony' you speak of is based on mans assumptions and presuppositions. NOT the Word of God.
You are correct. It does not have to point to a 24 hour period. But in the context of Gen 1:1; thats exactly what it does point to.YOu are the one not looking at context of scripture, the usage of morning and evening does nOT have to point to 24-hour days, check the articles on the use of morning and evening.
Edit: I would like to add that if the translators found the word 'yom' in the context of anything but a literal 6 day creation the English would reflect that and we would end up with something like this:
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first thousand years.
But it doesn't, it says:
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Notice also that it is singular not plural.
Further the Bible declares:
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)