thomasbryn wrote:The turin Shroud image is as a painting would be. it looks as if it has been drawn on. If a shroud is wrapped over a face it leaves an imprint that when the shroud is removed is stretched and NOT proportional to what the face would look like if it were painted normally . Why is the Turin shroud not a stretched out contorted image ? Did the cloth hover over the face in a straight line so that the image moved exactly to it like photons would to amirror?
Thomas the problem with your theory is that it was proposed about 20 years ago and debunked. the shroud is not a painting and not even the top artists in the world believe that much less the top scientists.. It is not even close to how a painting should be.
Artists readily notice that there are none of the signs of painting or drawing. There is a complete lack of any outline, brush strokes, or directionality from a tool used to create the image. Internationally renowned artist and an expert in practiced art Isabel Piczek stated "art always exhibits the mandatory use of outline, the event horizon in art."
Directionality, another characteristic in art, cannot be avoided unless an artist were to use a dot painting technique so precise as to be able to apply a colorant individually to top-layer fibers thinner than human hair. For deeper color the artist would need to touch more fibers in an area than in lighter areas. Furthermore, the image on the Shroud is so light and diffuse that the image cannot be seen from less than about six feet away. As Isabel Piczek and many scholars argue, an artist would have needed to work from a long distance, something that is really not possible.
and your statement about the stretched out contortion is correct if tyhe shroud had left an imprint in the normal way if the shroud had been taken directly off the cloth. This is just one piece of evidence as to why the evidence is juicy here.
There is no distortion and as world reknowed artist Dame isabel piczek also says, there is no distortion whatsoever on the backside of the shroud. Its a clean image that has almost no distortion that is also not a photograph because of the lack of directionality. On top of that the image itself has topographical 3d information. the technology to do this didnt exist in the medievil times. The problem gets even worse because the shroud and the sudarium of oviedo has been determined by forensic experts to have covered the same body (at very close intervals to within an hour mor or less) and the nose on both relics has been dtermined to be 8 centimeters. This is a huge problem for shroud skeptics and the now debubnked paint theory because it puts the shroud back to the 500's because the history of the sudarium is indisputable to at least the late 500's. Now this is only why I have only shown so far to debunk the paint theory, because there is a mountain of peer reviewed research and evidences in favor of authenticity.
There are very few that have thoroutghly and honestly researched the shroud with an open mind that have not been converted to it, so if your comfortable in your worldview stay away from the shroud:)
The recent ENEA report is amazing in that the scientists there tested theory after theory and found no way to recreate that image with all of its unique aspects, except for being able to recreate a few of its aspects by using ultra violet lasers at short pulses. They also determined that to recreate the full image on the shroud would take a laser the size of a building with the power of 33000 billion watts of power. We dont currently have a laser that powerful, in fact the most powerfull laser we have or can build right now is one with 2 billion watts of energy. Any open minded person will inevitably have to turn to one event and that is the only event that can make sense, The resurrection of Christ.
This doesnt even take into account the xray quality of parts of the image (the legs, fingers, and parts of the skull).
So far scientists cant even come close to duplicating the image
with all of its amazingly unique aspects.
dame isabel made the same point u made about the image not being distorted, and the onloy way it can be done with the evidence at hand by all of the top scientists is that the shroud was hovering above and below the body, at the moment the image was formed. This isnt the only problem here Thomas. Remember after the image was formed the shroud couldnt have simply dropped on top of the body because that would have caused distortion not only with the body but with the blood stains which also show no distortion. John jackson of NASA and antonacci believe that the only way for this to happen is for Jesus to dimensionally Phase rigtht through the cloth at the moment of the resurrection .
This is why I keep telling everyone that if they are sincere unbelievers who are of the touchy feeley type that need evidence that they could visually see the shroud is perfect, and this is why most atheist sites still cling to the now debunked c-14 dating and the debunked walter mccrone results (who couldnt pass one of his research articles on the shroud through peer review.
If your looking for a reason to believe, u should really start with the shroud.
Even in all of my posts I have given you just 1% of the research done on it. It is the most scientifically studied relic on earth.
Turin has a one year course for people to get to the advanced level of shroud research and I plan on one day taking that course as it will include a plethora of scientists that will be presenting there as well.
Thomas do as the former agnostic Antonacci did and start with the peer research. It took 20 years of research to convert Antonacci from agnost to christian and this was from the evidence of the shroud alone, his faith started building up later on. And this all started with an argument that he had with his christian girlfriend hehehe. She got him so angry that he wanted to prove to her that Christianity was a fable and instead he ended up converting to Christianity. What Irony hehe.