Dinos and Birds Closer then Ever?

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Post by Believer » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:46 pm

To me, it looks like some shifting during rapid fossilization. Have you ever seen anomalies in things which turned out to not be true? Everything is to be tested. But in the case of evolutionists, they are quick to jump to conclusions and publish it.

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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:05 pm

Thinker wrote:To me, it looks like some shifting during rapid fossilization. Have you ever seen anomalies in things which turned out to not be true? Everything is to be tested. But in the case of evolutionists, they are quick to jump to conclusions and publish it.
This is not the only case where this occurred, and in other organisms found in the same deposits you see the same kind of fine details, except in those cases they would be scales, eggshells, gills and other fine details.

So I doubt this is the case.
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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:07 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:So, the covering is feathers until a better explanation is found? What if we just show that it's not feathers without an alterative? So what, doesn't hinder our argument
We can talk about what if's all day. Please demonstrate how they are not feathers of some sort. Perhaps the dinosaur died in a pile of feathers?
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Post by AttentionKMartShoppers » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:54 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:So, the covering is feathers until a better explanation is found? What if we just show that it's not feathers without an alterative? So what, doesn't hinder our argument
We can talk about what if's all day. Please demonstrate how they are not feathers of some sort. Perhaps the dinosaur died in a pile of feathers?
WHAT feathers? My gosh....
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Post by Believer » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:09 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Thinker wrote:To me, it looks like some shifting during rapid fossilization. Have you ever seen anomalies in things which turned out to not be true? Everything is to be tested. But in the case of evolutionists, they are quick to jump to conclusions and publish it.
This is not the only case where this occurred, and in other organisms found in the same deposits you see the same kind of fine details, except in those cases they would be scales, eggshells, gills and other fine details.

So I doubt this is the case.
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:So what do you think it is? Like I said I am open to suggestions.
And I GAVE a suggestion, sorry it wasn't good enough for you. Since you already know what it is, why ask this asinine question...?

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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:55 pm

Thinker wrote: And I GAVE a suggestion, sorry it wasn't good enough for you. Since you already know what it is, why ask this asinine question...?
I replied to you with additional information.
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:This is not the only case where this occurred, and in other organisms found in the same deposits you see the same kind of fine details, except in those cases they would be scales, eggshells, gills and other fine details.
Why so short in temper? I am only asking questions and providing infomation.
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Post by Believer » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:02 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Thinker wrote: And I GAVE a suggestion, sorry it wasn't good enough for you. Since you already know what it is, why ask this asinine question...?
I replied to you with additional information.
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:This is not the only case where this occurred, and in other organisms found in the same deposits you see the same kind of fine details, except in those cases they would be scales, eggshells, gills and other fine details.
Why so short in temper? I am only asking questions and providing infomation.
I am short in temper BECAUSE everyone is so godless here saying all came about by 100% nothing. This is a Christian forum, not an atheist forum like the old board became. I really have to wonder WHY the atheists who position themselves with evolution which is one of their beliefs, are here anyways, you guys ask of critical scientific information, we provide, you reject, it's nonsense, and if you can't be open to it, perhaps you people should move to a different forum, specifically for atheists.

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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:26 pm

Thinker wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Thinker wrote: And I GAVE a suggestion, sorry it wasn't good enough for you. Since you already know what it is, why ask this asinine question...?
I replied to you with additional information.
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:This is not the only case where this occurred, and in other organisms found in the same deposits you see the same kind of fine details, except in those cases they would be scales, eggshells, gills and other fine details.
Why so short in temper? I am only asking questions and providing infomation.
I am short in temper BECAUSE everyone is so godless here saying all came about by 100% nothing. This is a Christian forum, not an atheist forum like the old board became. I really have to wonder WHY the atheists who position themselves with evolution which is one of their beliefs, are here anyways, you guys ask of critical scientific information, we provide, you reject, it's nonsense, and if you can't be open to it, perhaps you people should move to a different forum, specifically for atheists.
Hmm, I'm only here to provide critical scientific information, I have no agenda other than that. As for being an athiest you know I am not, and I am not here for either side.

If you look through the posts in this thread you'll see all I am doing is providing information nothing more.

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Post by Yehren » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:06 pm

I guess the best way to test the idea is to make a list of apomorphies for birds, and a set for dinosaurs, and then see if any are shared.

Anyone want to try? Let's take Archaeopteryx. Who wants to make a list of the number of bird characteristics, and the number of dinosaur characteristics it has?

Then we can compare and see it if qualifies.

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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:31 pm

Yehren wrote:I guess the best way to test the idea is to make a list of apomorphies for birds, and a set for dinosaurs, and then see if any are shared.

Anyone want to try? Let's take Archaeopteryx. Who wants to make a list of the number of bird characteristics, and the number of dinosaur characteristics it has?

Then we can compare and see it if qualifies.
I don''t think that would convince many here.
But you could give it a shot.
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Post by Yehren » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:00 pm

Facts are like drops of rain. They don't knock over walls, but they can wear them away, a little at a time.

The point is not to convince people, but to get them to think.

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Post by AttentionKMartShoppers » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:07 pm

Yehren wrote:I guess the best way to test the idea is to make a list of apomorphies for birds, and a set for dinosaurs, and then see if any are shared.

Anyone want to try? Let's take Archaeopteryx. Who wants to make a list of the number of bird characteristics, and the number of dinosaur characteristics it has?

Then we can compare and see it if qualifies.
Circular reasoning once again. Thank you. I'm impressed.
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Post by Yehren » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:54 pm

Yehren observes:
I guess the best way to test the idea is to make a list of apomorphies for birds, and a set for dinosaurs, and then see if any are shared.

Anyone want to try? Let's take Archaeopteryx. Who wants to make a list of the number of bird characteristics, and the number of dinosaur characteristics it has?

Then we can compare and see it if qualifies.
Circular reasoning once again. Thank you. I'm impressed.
Perhaps you don't know what "circular reasoning" is.

After all, if you suppose it's just a bird (or dinosaur), you might find that there are not dinosaur (or bird) features. And that would confirm your hypothesis.

On the other hand, if there a considerable number of each, it would invalidate your hypothesis.

Want to try? If you don't, I'll just list the differences and similarities myself. Let's give it a shot.

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Post by Jbuza » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:29 am

Yehren wrote:Facts are like drops of rain. They don't knock over walls, but they can wear them away, a little at a time.

The point is not to convince people, but to get them to think.
Yup, and lies are exactley the same, so your right it is good people at least think to try and sort them out.

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Post by Yehren » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:31 am

That's what discussion boards are for. People are smarter than generally thought. Toss out the claims, and let them be sorted out.

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