Some Quotations from Scientists on Evolution -part1

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Some Quotations from Scientists on Evolution -part1

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Post by Ken » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:47 am

Confessions of Scientists on Evolution.

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation, that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasture and others. That leaves us with the only possible conclusion that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God."............"I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to evolution." ~Dr. George Wall professor emeritus of biology at Harvard University. Nobel Prize winner in biology. From an article in Scientific America

"I have little hesitation in saying that a sickly pall now hangs over the big bang theory." ~Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist, and mathematician, Cambridge University

"The pathetic thing is that we have scientists who are trying to prove evolution, which no scientist can ever prove." ~Dr. Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize winner and eminent evolutionist

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge." ~Dr A Fleishmann, Zoologist, Erlangen University

"It is good to keep in mind ... that nobody has ever succeeded in producing even one new species by the accumulation of micromutations. Darwin's theory of natural selection has never had any proof, yet it has been universally accepted." ~Prof. R Goldschmidt PhD, DSc Prof. Zoology, University of Calif. in Material Basis of Evolution Yale Univ. Press

"The theory of the transmutation of species is a scientific mistake, untrue in its facts, unscientific in its method, and mischievous in its tendency." ~Prof. J Agassiz, of Harvard in Methods of Study in Natural History

"Eighty to eighty-five percent of earth's land surface does not have even 3 geological periods appearing in 'correct' consecutive order ... it becomes an overall exercise of gargantuan special pleading and imagination for the evolutionary-uniformitarian paradigm to maintain that there ever were geologic periods." ~John Woodmorappe, geologist

Hundreds of scientists who once taught their university students that the bottom line on origins had been figured out and settled are today confessing that they were completely wrong. They've discovered that their previous conclusions, once held so fervently, were based on very fragile evidences and suppositions which have since been refuted by new discoveries. This has necessitated a change in their basic philisophical position on origins. Others are admitting great weaknesses in evolution theory." ~Luther D Sutherland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th edition (Santee, California: Master Books,1988) pp.7-8

"The theory of Evolution ... will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity it has." ~Malcolm Muggeridge, well-known philosopher

"We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy. It is time that we cry: The emperor has no clothes." ~K.Hsu, geologist at the Geological Institute at Zurich

"Far from being an established fact of science that it is so typically portrayed to be, evolution is, in reality, an unreasonable and unfounded hypothesis that is riddled with countless scientific fallacies." ~Scott M Huse, The Collapse of Evolution (Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, pp 127

"Unfortunately many scientists and non-scientists have made Evolution into a religion, something to be defended against infidels. In my experience, many students of biology - professors and textbook writers included - have been so carried away with the arguments for Evolution that they neglect to question it. They preach it ... College students, having gone through such a closed system of education, themselves become teachers, entering high schools to continue the process, using textbooks written by former classmates or professors. High standards of scholarship and teaching break down. Propaganda and the pursuit of power replace the pursuit knowledge. Education becomes a fraud." ~George Kocan, Evolution isn't Faith But Theory, Chicago Tribune 9 Monday April 21 1980

"Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation." ~Gary Parker, Ph.D., biologist/palaeontologist and former evolutionist

"Scientists who go about teaching that Evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining Evolution we do not have one iota of fact." ~Dr T N Tahmisian, a former U.S. Atomic Energy Commission physiologist

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." ~Dr Louise Bounoure, Director of Research at the French National Centre for Scientific Research, Director of the Zoological Museum and former president of the Biological Society of Strasbourg

"I admit that an awful lot of that [fantasy] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared fifty years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now, I think that that is lamentable, particularly because the people who propose these kinds of stories themselves may be aware of the speculative nature of some of the stuff. But by the time it filters down to the textbooks, we've got science as truth and we have a problem." ~Dr Niles Eldredge, Palaeontologist and Evolutionist

"I, as a scientist, must postulate a source of information to supply the teleonomy or know-how, I don't find it in the universe, and, therefore, I assume that it is transcendent to this universe. I believe, myself, in a living God who did it. I believe that this God, who supplied the information, revealed Himself in the form of a man - so that man could understand Him. We are made to understand. I want to understand God. But I can only do it if He comes down to my wavelength, the wavelength of man. I believe that God revealed Himself in the form of Christ, and that we can serve Him and know Him in our hearts as the source of the Logos - all information is necessary to make the universe and to make life itself ... Look at the beauty of nature around us. When you consider that it all grew out of matter injected with information of the type I have been describing, you can only be filled with wonder of the wisdom of a Creator, who, first of all, had the sense of beauty to do it, and then the technical ability. I am filled with wonder as I look at nature, to see how god technically did it and realized the beauty of His own soul in doing it. The Scripture teaches perfectly plainly, and it fits in with my science perfectly well, that the one who did called Himself THE LOGOS. That Logos was Jesus. Jesus called Himself the Creator who made everything - 'for Him and by Him'. Now, if that is the case, then I am very happy and filled with joy that He made the Creation so beautiful and that He also valued me enough to die for me, to become my Redeemer as well." ~Arthur E Wilder-Smith, Ph.D.,D.Sc.,Dr.es.Sc., The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution, Santee, California: Master Books, p.154

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Post by August » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:55 am

Hi Ken, welcome to the forum. Please continue this topic here, since I am sure it will generate plenty of discussion.
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Evolution Admission Quotes : [Series Continued]

It is possible (and, given the Flood, probable) that materials which give radiocarbon dates of tens of thousands of radiocarbon years could have true ages of many fewer calendar years." ~ Gerald Aardsman, Ph.D., physicist and C-14 dating specialist

"We have to admit that there is nothing in the geological records that runs contrary to the views of conservative creationists." ~Evolutionist Edmund Ambrose

"The best physical evidence that the earth is young is the dwindling resource that evolutionists refuse to admit is dwindling ... the magnetic energy in the field of the earth's dipole magnet ... To deny that it is a dwindling resource is phoney science." ~Thomas Barnes Ph.D., physicist

"No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution." ~ Pierre-Paul Grasse, Evolutionist

"It is easy enough to make up stories, of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test." ~ Luther D Sutherland, Darwin's Enigma, Master Books 1988, p89

"Is it really credible that random processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of which - a functional protein or gene - is complex beyond ... anything produced by the intelligence of man?" ~Molecular biologist Michael Denton, Evolutionist: A Theory in Crisis (London: Burnett Books, 1985) p 342.

"Modern apes ... seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday, no fossil record. And the true origin of modern humans ... is, if we are to be honest with ourselves, an equally mysterious matter." ~Lyall Watson, Ph.D., Evolutionist

More Evolution Quotables

"Although bacteria are tiny, they display biochemical, structural and behavioural complexities that outstrip scientific description. In keeping with the current microelectronics revolution, it may make more sense to equate their size with sophistication rather than with simplicity ... Without bacteria life on earth could not exist in its present form." ~ James A Shipiro, Bacteria as Multicellular Organisms, "Scientific America, Vol.258, No.6 -June 1988

"That a mindless, purposeless, chance process such as natural selection, acting on the sequels of recombinant DNA or random mutation, most of which are injurious or fatal, could fabricate such complexity and organisation as the vertebrate eye, where each component part must carry out its own distinctive task in a harmoniously functioning optical unit, is inconceivable. The absence of transitional forms between the invertebrates retina and that of the vertebrates poses another difficulty. Here there is a great gulf fixed which remains inviolate with no seeming likelihood of ever being bridged. The total picture speaks of intelligent creative design of an infinitely high order." ~ H.S.Hamilton (MD) The Retina of the Eye - An Evolutionary Road Block.

"None of five museum officials could offer a single example of a transitional series of fossilised organisms that would document the transformation of one basically different type to another." ~ Luther Sunderland, science researcher

"The evolutionist thesis has become more stringently unthinkable than ever before." ~ Wolfgang Smith Ph.D

"A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp ... moreover, for the most part these 'experts' have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully." ~ Wolfgang Smith, Ph.D., physicist and mathematician

"As yet we have not been able to track the phylogenetic history of a single group of modern plants from its beginning to the present." ~ Chester A Arnold, Professor of Botany and Curator of Fossil Plants, University of Michigan, An Introduction to Paleobotany -New York: McGraw-Hill, 1947, p.7

"The more scientists have searched for the transitional forms that lie between species, the more they have been frustrated." ~ John Adler with John Carey: Is Man a Subtle Accident, Newsweek, Vol.96, No.18 (November 3, 1980, p.95)

"...most people assume that fossils provide a very important part of the general argument in favour of Darwinian interpretations of the history of life. Unfortunately, this is not strictly true." ~ Dr David Raup, Curator of geology, Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago

"Despite the bright promise that palaeontology provides means of 'seeing' Evolution, it has provided some nasty difficulties for evolutionists, the most notorious of which is the presence of 'gaps' in the fossil record. Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and palaeontology does not provide them." ~ David Kitts, Ph.D. Palaeontology and Evolutionary Theory, Evolution, Vol.28 (Sep.1974) p.467

"The fact that a theory so vague, so insufficiently verifiable, and so far from the criteria otherwise applied in 'hard' science has become a dogma can only be explained on sociological grounds." ~Ludwig von Bertalanffy, biologist

"Micromutations do occur, but the theory that these alone can account for evolutionary change is either falsified, or else it is an unfalsifiable, hence metaphysical theory. I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes addicted to a false theory. But this is what has happened in biology: ... I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens many people will pose the question: How did this ever happen?" ~ S Lovtrup, Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth (London:Croom Helm, p.422)

Scientists and Other Non-Religious Authorities on Evolution - (extended series of quotes on evolution)

"Generation after generation, through countless cell divisions, the genetic heritage of living things is scrupulously preserved in DNA ... All of life depends on the accurate transmission of information. As genetic messages are passed through generations of dividing cells, even small mistakes can be life-threatening ... if mistakes were as rare as one in a million, 3000 mistakes would be made during each duplication of the human genome. Since the genome replicates about a million billion times in the course of building a human being from a single fertilised egg, it is unlikely that the human organism could tolerate such a high rate of error. In fact, the actual rate of mistakes is more like one in 10 billion." ~ Miroslav Radman and Robert Wagner, The High Fidelity of DNA Duplication... Scientific America. Vol. 299, No 2 (August 1988, pp 40-44. Quote is from page 24)

"In the meantime, the educated public continues to believe that Darwin has provided all the relevant answers by the magic formula of random mutations plus natural selection - quite unaware of the fact that random mutations turned out to be irrelevant and natural selection a tautology." ~Arthur Koestler, author of books such as The Thirteenth Tribe.

"Evolution lacks a scientifically acceptable explanation of the source of the precisely planned codes within cells without which there can be no specific proteins and hence, no life." ~ David A Kaufman, Ph.D., University of Florida, Gainsesville

"Ultimately, the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century." ~ Michael Denton, 'Evolution, A Theory in Crisis' page 358

"Any suppression which undermines and destroys that very foundation on which scientific methodology and research was erected, evolutionist or otherwise, cannot and must not be allowed to flourish ... It is a confrontation between scientific objectivity and ingrained prejudice - between logic and emotion - between fact and fiction ... In the final analysis, objective scientific logic has to prevail - no matter what the final result is - no matter how many time-honoured idols have to be discarded in the process ... After all, it is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution and stick by it to the bitter end -no matter what illogical and unsupported conclusions it offers ... If in the process of impartial scientific logic, they find that creation by outside intelligence is the solution to our quandary, then let's cut the umbilical chord that tied us down to Darwin for such a long time. It is choking us and holding us back ... Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution (and amended thereafter) is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established probability concepts. Darwin was wrong... The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake made in science." ~ I L Cohen, Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities : New Research Publications, Inc. pp 6-8, 209-210, 214-215. I.L.Cohen, Member of the New York Academy of Sciences and Officer of the Archaeological Institute of America.

"If one allows the unquestionably largest experimenter to speak, namely nature, one gets a clear and incontrovertible answer to the question about the significance of mutations for the formation of species and evolution. They disappear under the competitive conditions of natural selection, as soap bubbles burst in a breeze." ~ Evolutionist Herbert Nilson, Synthetische Artbildung (Lund, Sweden:Verlag CWK Gleerup Press, 1953, p 174)

There you have it folks, right from the "horses mouths" ...now choose this day whom you will believe and serve - man and his falsehoods or God and His truth.- kh
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Re: Some Quotations from Scientists on Evolution -part1

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Post by Jbuza » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:49 pm

Ken wrote: "Unfortunately many scientists and non-scientists have made Evolution into a religion, something to be defended against infidels. In my experience, many students of biology - professors and textbook writers included - have been so carried away with the arguments for Evolution that they neglect to question it. They preach it ... College students, having gone through such a closed system of education, themselves become teachers, entering high schools to continue the process, using textbooks written by former classmates or professors. High standards of scholarship and teaching break down. Propaganda and the pursuit of power replace the pursuit knowledge. Education becomes a fraud." ~George Kocan, Evolution isn't Faith But Theory, Chicago Tribune 9 Monday April 21 1980
I so completely agree with this

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Post by Blob » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:06 pm

Question: But you are clear, under your definition, the definition that sweeps in intelligent design, astrology is also a scientific theory, correct?
Behe: Yes, that's correct.

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Post by Believer » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:39 pm

Blob wrote:Question: But you are clear, under your definition, the definition that sweeps in intelligent design, astrology is also a scientific theory, correct?
Behe: Yes, that's correct.

Source. (pdf file, approx 200KB)
Thanks for nothing at all interesting Blob! Please, continue to play in your pool of foolishness, relying on science as your primary source for EVERYTHING EVER! Please Blob, bring it on, show us ALL that you're right, show us you are god, SHOW US :twisted:! Bring on more of the same atheist arguments, the same everything that has already been answered. Your reason for being here is nonsense, you just want people to talk to so you can show us WE (believers) are wrong. Yes Blob, BRING IT!

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Post by Blob » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:46 pm

Thinker wrote:Yes, more please, MORE disinformation, bring it on, more, More, MORE, BRING IT!!!!!!!!
Disinformation? How so? The quotation is real.

Afterall, I provided a source (i) showing it is genuine and (ii) allowing anyone to check the context at a click of the mouse.

EDIT: I see you changed your post
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Post by Believer » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:49 pm

Blob wrote:
Thinker wrote:Yes, more please, MORE disinformation, bring it on, more, More, MORE, BRING IT!!!!!!!!
Disinformation? How so? The quotation is real.

Afterall, I provided a source (i) showing it is genuine and (ii) allowing anyone to check the context at a click of the mouse.

EDIT: I see you changed your post
Yes Blob, MORE, keep feeding it to us. MORE, MORE, MORE!!! More of your never going to be concluded science that has been going on forever. MORE!!!! I'm hungry ATHEIST, BA-RING IT!!!!
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Post by Blob » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:50 pm

It's no good getting upset with me. Behe said it.
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Post by Believer » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:52 pm

Blob wrote:It's no good getting upset with me. Behe said it.
IS that ALL?! C'mon now Blob, aren't you done yet? Stop straining yourself over this, WHY are you here?

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Post by Blob » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:56 pm

Perhaps I'm looking for something... or someone.
I wrote:For that matter being in a Christian in a Christian universe would be preferable to being an atheist in a godless universe
Source.

Sorry my presence irritates you. If it's any consolation I will suffer terribly and endlessly for my "foolishness" should your religion be true.
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Post by Believer » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:08 am

Blob wrote:Perhaps I'm looking for something... or someone.
I wrote:For that matter being in a Christian in a Christian universe would be preferable to being an atheist in a godless universe
Source.

Sorry my presence irritates you. If it's any consolation I will suffer terribly and endlessly for my "foolishness" should your religion be true.
Now, tell me, the Bible IS difficult, yet it has survived THOUSANDS of years and HAS NOT been "shut down", why then would it be false? We as humans have the ability to determine what is true religion from false religion. WHY is it HORRIBLE to even try to become a Christian? It isn't horrible, that's the point, it is fulfilling. Science may explain the "hows" on the working of things, but it can't explain the "whys". Why does oxygen exist when we could live without it, it is invisible to the human eye, yet it is there for us to breathe. Do you even consider that Christianity is true without having science in it? People didn't have "advanced" science back then like we do now, yet they still believed. Tell me what is the harm in Christianity? Why? Why let yourself enter torment for not believing? You believe in science, so why can't you believe what the Bible says? It's like science, but not quite, in that it provides the facts for life. It is the B.I.B.L.E. (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) project.

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Post by Blob » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:30 am

Thank you for speaking to me like I'm a human being again, Thinker.
Now, tell me, the Bible IS difficult, yet it has survived THOUSANDS of years and HAS NOT been "shut down", why then would it be false?
If longevity of religious text is the way to determine the true religion perhaps I should become a Jain.
We as humans have the ability to determine what is true religion from false religion.
Perhaps no religion is true. Or perhaps they all contain partial truths. Or perhaps one religion is true but it's not Christianity. And perhaps you are right. I don't claim to know.

I don't think Christians are horrible or that to be one is horrible. I think it's an idea that contains much beauty and hope and would be very happy for it to be true. But I simply do not believe it.

As I have posted repeatedly here I do not consider that science proves nor disproves Christianity (although I do find it somewhat incongruent). As you wisely say, Thinker, one addresses "how" and the other addresses "why". Yet to ask questions such as "why is there oxygen?" assumes there is indeed a "why" to be answered. I prefer to step back and ask "why must there be a why?"

I don't believe I will suffer eternal torment. My point was that, if you believe I will, surely you should show me sympathy and understanding. You do not need to express your iritation and try to make me feel foolish, for your god will take care of that.
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Post by Believer » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:10 am

Blob wrote:Thank you for speaking to me like I'm a human being again, Thinker.
Now, tell me, the Bible IS difficult, yet it has survived THOUSANDS of years and HAS NOT been "shut down", why then would it be false?
If longevity of religious text is the way to determine the true religion perhaps I should become a Jain.
We as humans have the ability to determine what is true religion from false religion.
Perhaps no religion is true. Or perhaps they all contain partial truths. Or perhaps one religion is true but it's not Christianity. And perhaps you are right. I don't claim to know.

I don't think Christians are horrible or that to be one is horrible. I think it's an idea that contains much beauty and hope and would be very happy for it to be true. But I simply do not believe it.

As I have posted repeatedly here I do not consider that science proves nor disproves Christianity (although I do find it somewhat incongruent). As you wisely say, Thinker, one addresses "how" and the other addresses "why". Yet to ask questions such as "why is there oxygen?" assumes there is indeed a "why" to be answered. I prefer to step back and ask "why must there be a why?"

I don't believe I will suffer eternal torment. My point was that, if you believe I will, surely you should show me sympathy and understanding. You do not need to express your iritation and try to make me feel foolish, for your god will take care of that.
Blob wrote:"why must there be a why?"
Why must there be a "who"?
Why must there be a "what"?
Why must there be a "where"?
Why must there be a "when"?
Why must there be a "why"?
Why must there be a "how"?

Because it simply is. Why do we have science? Because it HELPS explain things in this world that can help us advance things such as medicine (which has hurt me more than natural herbs). There are "whys" because we need to know WHY it works. Wouldn't that be better to know MORE of the functionality of something than not? That is why we have a why, so we know MORE. How is not MORE, it is some.

I would like for you to to provide full evidence/proof as to how and WHY this universe came about since you don't believe in God. How can you think with your intelligent mind for a second that everything everywhere just came to be or eternally existed without a creator? Why did this all happen? Why did matter come about? How come? I could indeed keep going, but I won't bore you with that. I honestly feel you are looking for an excuse to not believe. I have shared testimonies as well as others, you yourself even shared one about your mother. But can you explain why and how it happened to her or anyone else? Blob, seriously, I know you have your atheistic worldview and that prevents you to believe, God, the Christian one Blob, has shown me the atheistic worldview several times as a believer to remind me how bad it would be without Him. Am I making this up, no, but you can decide for yourself. I really do not see the harm in accepting Christ. Jesus Christ is a man/God of truth despite what you think or any other skeptic. If you don't want to believe that is fully your choice. But this life you have is your ONLY chance to believe, you have no other chance. As Jesus put it, it will be in the twinkling of an eye that you will see Him. Hell/Hades is a HORRIBLE place with no chance to get out. Why risk something like that? If you believe, you will not worry about eternal death, if you don't believe, you do have something to worry about. I feel I can understand a little where you are coming from, but seriously dude, get with it, science is not the final frontier, and you know that!

You're right about religions age, that isn't good enough, but what is good enough is the fact that we are more intelligent in these days to distinguish fact from fiction and stop being so gullible.

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Post by SpaceCase » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:24 am

Hey Ken,

back to your original post...

Can I assume that the individuals in your quotes have one thing in common? They all are trying to prove, we arose from nothing, for no reason, with little time, to where we are today?

Of course they will fail, because their goal is to prove God doesn't exist...
However, when we accept that God exists... why couldn't He have CREATED using evolution? According to his purpose, he steered and molded a wonderful masterpiece...
Not by chance, but by His will...

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