To use Philip's earlier words, I dunno DB.DBowling wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:36 pmAmen...
That is one of the key points that I am trying to communicate.
As I have mentioned elsewhere, I believe the death that passed to all men in the day that Adam sinned and as a result of Adam's sin was a death that was immediate and unique to mankind... ie spiritual death.Note, that condemnation is had for all men due to Adam's sin. This isn't just speaking of a physical death consequent (which we all inevitably will suffer). Rather condemnation is had from God's judgement of sin, which we believe and hope in Christ's promise that we will pass from such due to His act. Again, just like animals aren't condemned, neither would non-Adamic men be. Rather, it are those of Adam (whoever I'd say the "Adamic covenant" covers that you believe was had between God), who are condemned in Adam.
I disagree with your assertion regarding non-Adamic men though...
All of mankind (whether descended from Adam or not) are image bearers of God.
All of mankind (whether descended from Adam or not) were affected by Adam's sin.
Animals are not condemned because they are not part of mankind.
This bears repeating...Note, according to Paul, we are also made sinners by one man's disobedience v.19 (NOT, merely a lesser doctrine of something like: "all people have sinned, inherit a sinful nature, or will go onto sin, and so in this way are affected by Adam's sin." Rather, God sees us all collectively as sinners due to Adam's sin. This is something non-Adamic people couldn't participate in, no more than say a monkey, dolphin or some other animal.
All of mankind are sinners due to Adam's sin.
According to Romans 5:12 sin and death spread to all mankind.
As you mention above, this is true whether they are genetically related to Adam or not.
Non-Adamic people would also participate in Adam's sin due to the simple Scriptural fact that as a result of the Fall, sin and death spread to all mankind.
Monkeys and dolphins and other animals do not participate in Adam's sin because they are not part of mankind.
It feels to me like the pre-Adamic race position skips in and out as desired when something applies to "hominid-humans as a whole" or simply humans descended from Adam (or within an "Adamic covenant").
Truly, this position seems more of a stretch to me than The Gap. Perhaps it's just a fad in time, we'll see I suppose in the next 20-30 years where such thoughts go. Nonetheless, you are enamoured by it, and so I try to respect that. I'd be interested to hear your response on the following questions:
1) Would you say Moses was aware to humans existing who didn't come from Adam?
2) How are all races of mankind sinners due to Adam's sin?
3) It only makes sense to me to say we're under Adam, as Adam was the head of humanity that proceeded. If you're choosing a higher-level consciousness as the defining trait of one being "in Adam", then what is we found creatures elsewhere on Earth/aliens in the universe who are just as conscious, understanding concepts such as right and wrong, like us humans? According to your same logic, would such too in Adam and so able to inherit Christ's promise?
4) Finally, add into the equation that our level of consciousness didn't appear on the scene fully until, according to what is historically accepted, around 11-15k years ago (e.g., agriculture and burst of fuller human expression), that means the "humans" prior were rather primitive and while perhaps more expressive here and there than many other species.
So then, in scientific terms, are you saying that Cain could have bred with a less intelligent species within the homo genus, or sub-species of homo sapiens (e.g., homo sapiens neanderthalensis). Or, as we to understand pre-Adamic races as being same (i.e., homo sapiens sapiens) as us today?