Re: Forsaking All
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:46 am
Hi BW. Like John the baptist I'd prefer to just be a voice in the wilderness. Whatever group I am or am not a part of shouldn't make any difference to the message. Preoccupation with groups never seems to bring glory to the Kingdom of Heaven. The fact that some people choose not to promote their various groups or organizations is not a sign of dishonesty, as Rick has suggested. At least in my case, it's an issue of wanting to deal with the message rather than the messenger.BW wrote:So note our concern is why you do not willing mention the groups you both are associated with? Maybe you have on another thread that I am not aware of. Even with that can you please let us know?
In an earlier post Rick suggested that rain and I have some kind of agenda because we promote the same teachings. Not really. We're just interested in promoting the teachings of Jesus. If we were here promoting a particular group then you'd have much more merit to say we're promoting an "agenda". I am reminded of John 5:43, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive".
People here have alternated between talking about "wrong" teaching and "we're not all called to forsake all". If it is a matter of the individual discerning how he/she feels God is leading them to follow these teachings, then there is no problem; the individual will read both sides and decide for themselves. If you are concerned about wrong teaching, then show it in your discussion. Rain has asked for any scriptural indication that Jesus did not want all of his followers to make the same lifestyle choices that he and his followers made. We've still not seen that evidence. Instead people talk about how obvious it is that we cannot live without giving our time to working for mammon. On the other hand we've given many examples of thousands of people applying these teachings we are promoting.
The record show that Jesus was talking to an "innumerable multitude" and "a great multitude" for two of his "sell and forsake all" teachings. The scripture clearly shows that, yet people hear come back with the same responses that these teachings were only meant for specific people. Acts 2 and 4 records thousands of people forsaking all and sharing all things in common, yet that evidence has not been addressed. The closest Rick could come to a response was to say that it doesn't work that way in America and that the American people are generous. He didn't address the scripture at all. When he is shown the teaching from Jesus he says it was only for specific people of Jesus' day. When he is shown evidence of thousands of people doing it he says it won't work for us today. There's always some excuse for why generous (i.e. those with lots of money) Christians today should be the exception to the teachings Jesus gave on how to confront our greed. How ironic.
That's true. The words he used were, "Before we continue with this discussion, you need to address something I brought up". He asserts again, "This needs to be answered". It is not phrased as a request. It is phrased as an instruction. He does not say he will stop my postings. He only implies it, which is the concern I expressed in my response to that post.BW wrote:No where was Rick saying we will stop your postings here.
The OP had nothing to do with the personal lives of any person other than to use examples of how Jesus and his followers behaved.
On a similar note, Rick said something about me being in the "the middle of Africa". I'm curious to know why he asked about Africa. Was it a random location?