Kurieuo wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:56 pm
while DBowling has categorically decided for himself that humanity arose 6000 years ago, there is nonetheless as I see matter definitely credence here to accept gaps and extending the time back well before 6000 years.
Let me clean up a couple of misconceptions, and then add what to me is a very significant data point for my position.
a) I have repeatedly stated that I believe that humanity/mankind was created much earlier than 6000 years ago. My personal opinion is that God created mankind (species homo sapiens sapiens) in his image (Genesis 1:26-27) somewhere around 150,000 to 200,000 years ago.
b) And a key point in this discussion...
It is Scripture (not myself) that places the Biblical Adam and Eve somewhere in the 5000-6000 BC time frame. The strongest Scriptural support for this position involves the Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies that provide an uninterrupted genealogical line from Adam to Abraham. As I have pointed out a number of times, the narrative formula used in the Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies just does not allow for the insertion of extra-Scriptural gaps that some try to impose on the Scriptural text.
There is also the culture in Genesis 4 which describes a Neolithic culture consistent with the 5000-6000 BC time frame given by the Genesis 5 and 11 Genealogies. So from a Scriptural perspective Genesis 4, 5, and 11 all place the Biblical Adam and Eve in the 5000-6000 BC time frame.
Now for some extraScriptural archaeological data that validates the Scriptural claims of Genesis 4, 5, and 11.
Genesis 4:17 tells us
17 Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son.
Cain building a city is a significant chronological marker, because the archaeological record tells us when the first cities were built in Mesopotamia.
Two of the oldest cities in Mesopotamia were Eridu and Uruk.
Eridu is the oldest city in Mesopotamia, and possibly the oldest city in the world. Eridu was founded in the 5000-5400 BC time frame. So the founding of Eridu provides a time frame for when cities were first built in Mesopotamia (and the world).
Uruk is another ancient Mesopotamian city. And Uruk relates directly to Genesis 4:17.
Archaeologists have discovered a number of cities of Uruk built on top of each other. The founding of the oldest city of Uruk dates to around 5000 BC.
Here's how Uruk relates to Genesis 4:17...
When cuneiform was being deciphered for the first time, it soon became apparent that some of the cities mentioned in Biblical antiquity were still in existence as mounds and very often the natives in the area had preserved the original name in a modified form. A very important city in antiquity appeared under the name Uruk and a study of cuneiform soon revealed that this could equally well be pronounced Unuk, which was recognized at once by Sayce, and many others, as identical with the Biblical word, Enoch.
This is extremely significant for my position...
The name of one of the oldest cities in Mesopotamia is the same as the name of the city that Cain built in Genesis 4:17.
And archaeology gives us a time and location for the founding of the original city of Uruk that matches the time and location that Scripture provides for the Biblical Cain.
So, my position regarding the time and location of Adam and Eve (and Cain) is supported by:
a) The Scriptural text of Genesis 4, 5, and 11.
b) ExtraScriptural archaeology in the Mesopotamian region.
Placing Adam and Eve and Cain any time prior to Neolithic Mesopotamia:
a) Is inconsistent with the Scriptural text of Genesis 4, 5, and 11
b) Has no external archaeological support