From nothing comes nothing

Got some good and clean jokes to share? Everyone likes a laugh.
Danieltwotwenty
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2879
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:01 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Aussie Land
Has liked: 37 times
Been liked: 11 times

From nothing comes nothing

#1

Post by Danieltwotwenty » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:14 pm

Image
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

User avatar
Reactionary
Senior Member
Posts: 534
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:56 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Republic of Croatia
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 0

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#2

Post by Reactionary » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:48 am

Just because we don't know something at the moment, doesn't mean we should resort to magical beings in the sky. :soap:

Over time, there are fewer and fewer gaps in our understanding of the universe that we could fill with a non-existent deity. Science and reason will, as always, triumph over ignorance, closed-mindedness, prejudice, backwardness, bigotry etc. Your post is a good example - it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of science and the natural world. Perhaps, if you had spent more time reading scientific literature rather than 2,000-year-old fictional books, you would have been able to see that. For instance, "nothing" isn't really nothing. It is postulated that "nothing" is a quantum vacuum in which Big Bangs occur continuously, thus creating an infinite number of universes. In such conditions, everything is possible - any event with a probability higher than zero, will happen and does happen. Life is hardly a miracle. We are not in any way special, we're just a species that is, at this moment, winning the battle called evolution. Brave people face this fact, instead of relying on a magical paternal figure in the sky whom we could ask for help when we're in need. There is no such being, just as there is no Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus or others. That's a fact. Deal with it.

More and more people are awakening in the light of free speech and expression -
- fortunately, people who think outside the box are no longer sentenced for heresy and set on fire. Thank Go... never mind. :pound:

Sorry, Dan, I couldn't resist. :lol:
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Matthew 7:6

"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Romans 1:20

--Reactionary

User avatar
neo-x
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3560
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:13 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Has liked: 227 times
Been liked: 106 times
Contact:

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#3

Post by neo-x » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:03 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

on a serious note
It is postulated that "nothing" is a quantum vacuum in which Big Bangs occur continuously, thus creating an infinite number of universes.
I would only question as to why does these quantum vacuum has these properties? I mean sooner or later one would have to ask that any rule of physics or chemistry no matter on what tiny scale it is, behaves the way it is, where did it get that information and why does it not stop doing it. Why is there gravity in the first place, why is there matter in the first place and if that matter was produced by quantum vacuum where particles come and go from somewhere we don't know yet, but still its a chain. There has to be a nothingness from which quantum physics started, matter can not come from nothing, matter is the product of matter and no matter how back we go this is an endless chain, much like "its turtles all the way down" logic.

Stephen hawking admits that much when he said "if the universe had a beginning then there must be a God" (I am going by memory here). Of course he thinks that the universe has no beginning. But to be honest, that just avoids the question rather than answer it.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.

I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.


//johnadavid.wordpress.com

User avatar
neo-x
Ultimate Member
Posts: 3560
Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:13 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Has liked: 227 times
Been liked: 106 times
Contact:

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#4

Post by neo-x » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:05 am

Just because we don't know something at the moment, doesn't mean we should resort to magical beings in the sky.
We will burn you on the stake you heretic :evilnod: :evilnod: :evilnod: :evilnod: :evilnod:

sorry couldn't resist, reactionary. :lol:
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.

I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night
without.


//johnadavid.wordpress.com

Danieltwotwenty
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2879
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:01 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Aussie Land
Has liked: 37 times
Been liked: 11 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#5

Post by Danieltwotwenty » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:44 am

No worries guy's, I hope it has been entertaining becase that was the intention of the post. :mrgreen:


Dan
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9055
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 120 times
Been liked: 341 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#6

Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:11 pm

I have faith the science will, eventually, solve the problem of creation.



And when it does it will find God.

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21174
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 195 times
Been liked: 1060 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#7

Post by RickD » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:47 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:I have faith the science will, eventually, solve the problem of creation.



And when it does it will find God.
Faith in science? is that a religion, Paul? :mrgreen:
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9055
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 120 times
Been liked: 341 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#8

Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:13 am

RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:I have faith the science will, eventually, solve the problem of creation.



And when it does it will find God.
Faith in science? is that a religion, Paul? :mrgreen:
No more than having faith that my car will start is.
:eugeek:

User avatar
RickD
Board Moderator
Posts: 21174
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:59 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Kitchen
Has liked: 195 times
Been liked: 1060 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#9

Post by RickD » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:38 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
RickD wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:I have faith the science will, eventually, solve the problem of creation.



And when it does it will find God.
Faith in science? is that a religion, Paul? :mrgreen:
No more than having faith that my car will start is.
:eugeek:
I think I've heard of that church. It's the church of LDS. Latter Day Subarus. :mrgreen:
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Kenny wrote:
"You don’t need faith, logic, reason, proof, or anything else to be atheist, all you need to do is reject what someone told you."



St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9055
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 120 times
Been liked: 341 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#10

Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:52 am

This is gonna go into a discussion about TYPES of Faith again, LOL !

User avatar
Reactionary
Senior Member
Posts: 534
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:56 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Republic of Croatia
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 0

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#11

Post by Reactionary » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:57 am

PaulSacramento wrote:This is gonna go into a discussion about TYPES of Faith again, LOL !
I read "TYRES" at first. So to avoid what you said, we could discuss types of tyres. Who do you think is the best tyre maker? :D
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Matthew 7:6

"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Romans 1:20

--Reactionary

PaulSacramento
Board Moderator
Posts: 9055
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:29 pm
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Ontario, Canada
Has liked: 120 times
Been liked: 341 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#12

Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 am

Reactionary wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:This is gonna go into a discussion about TYPES of Faith again, LOL !
I read "TYRES" at first. So to avoid what you said, we could discuss types of tyres. Who do you think is the best tyre maker? :D
Anyone that you can afford !

User avatar
Reactionary
Senior Member
Posts: 534
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:56 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Day-Age
Location: Republic of Croatia
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 0

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#13

Post by Reactionary » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:04 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Reactionary wrote:I read "TYRES" at first. So to avoid what you said, we could discuss types of tyres. Who do you think is the best tyre maker? :D
Anyone that you can afford !
Concise, diplomatic, honest. Thanks. :mrgreen:
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Matthew 7:6

"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." Romans 1:20

--Reactionary

Danieltwotwenty
Ultimate Member
Posts: 2879
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:01 am
Christian: Yes
Sex: Male
Creation Position: Theistic Evolution
Location: Aussie Land
Has liked: 37 times
Been liked: 11 times

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#14

Post by Danieltwotwenty » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:02 pm

You guys crack me up.
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

wazatron
Acquainted Member
Posts: 22
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:32 am
Christian: No
Has liked: 0
Been liked: 0

Re: From nothing comes nothing

#15

Post by wazatron » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:14 am

reactionary - i agree with your opinions.

Anyone heard of the LHC? Giving massless particles mass? -Something from nothing! MAGIC!

Post Reply