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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by Kenny » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Philip wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said? y:-?
Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by RickD » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am

Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm
Philip wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said? y:-?
Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by Kenny » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm
Philip wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said? y:-?
Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by RickD » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm
Philip wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said? y:-?
Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
Explain how color exists physically.
John 5:24
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#170

Post by Kenny » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am

RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm
Philip wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said? y:-?
Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#171

Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am

Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:30 pm


Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.
Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#172

Post by Kenny » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:11 am


Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.
Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.
Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#173

Post by Kenny » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:32 am

I'm going on vacation for about 10 days. I may not have access to a computer during that time. If not I will respond to whatever replies when I get back
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am

Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:42 am

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.
Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.
Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
Quantities, quantities, quantities...

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#175

Post by Kenny » Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am
RickD wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am


Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.
Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
Quantities, quantities, quantities...
Quantities don’t exist physically
RickD wrote
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue May 07, 2019 9:57 am

Kenny wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am
Kenny wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:47 am


phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"


Colors are perceived through our senses.
So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.
Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
Quantities, quantities, quantities...
Quantities don’t exist physically
Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by Kenny » Tue May 07, 2019 1:12 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:57 am
Kenny wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 am


So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.
Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
Quantities, quantities, quantities...
Quantities don’t exist physically
Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?
Rocks have an actual existence; the numbers you mentioned don't.
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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#178

Post by PaulSacramento » Wed May 08, 2019 7:02 am

Kenny wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:12 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:57 am
Kenny wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 5:16 pm
PaulSacramento wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:11 am
Kenny wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:09 pm


Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.
Quantities, quantities, quantities...
Quantities don’t exist physically
Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?
Rocks have an actual existence; the numbers you mentioned don't.
Right....

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

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Post by RickD » Wed May 08, 2019 7:29 am

Rick: "Kenny, how old are you?"

Kenny: "I don't know, because numbers don't exist."
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

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Re: Information - Natural or Intelligence?

#180

Post by Kenny » Wed May 08, 2019 8:32 am

RickD wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:29 am
Rick: "Kenny, how old are you?"

Kenny: "I don't know, because numbers don't exist."
:lol: (LOL) You crack me up buddy! Try talking to Paulsacramento; judging from his last response, he seems to get it! Perhaps he can explain it better than I can.
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