Nils wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:35 am
Kurieuo wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:29 pm
A series of questions.
Do you believe there is information in the natural world? (i.e., whether found in matter, chemistry, biology, etc)
I like Wikipedias definition of information: ”Information is the resolution of uncertainty”. If you have an eye you get information from the light whetgher it is day or night, very useful.
Nils, you state you like Wikipedia's definition, indeed I have no complaints. It even answers Hana's question perhaps re: the relationship of information to persons, which it identified as only applying to "knowledge" of information and not the "information" itself.
Information is the resolution of uncertainty; it is that which answers the question of "what an entity is" and is thus that which specifies the nature of that entity, as well as the essentiality of its properties. Information is associated with data and knowledge, as data is meaningful information and represents the values attributed to parameters, and knowledge signifies understanding of an abstract or concrete concept. The existence of information can be uncoupled from an observer, which refers to that which accesses information to discern that which it specifies; information exists beyond an event horizon for example. In the case of knowledge, the information itself requires a cognitive observer to be accessed. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information)
Further down on that same Wikipedia page it has:
Information is any type of pattern that influences the formation or transformation of other patterns. In this sense, there is no need for a conscious mind to perceive, much less appreciate, the pattern. Consider, for example, DNA. The sequence of nucleotides is a pattern that influences the formation and development of an organism without any need for a conscious mind. One might argue though that for a human to consciously define a pattern, for example a nucleotide, naturally involves conscious information processing.
As for your next sentence, "If you have an eye you get information from the light whetgher it is day or night, very useful.
" No bloody idea where this came from mate, where in Wikipedia's definition such is being said?
Nils wrote:Even lower animal can discriminate between day and night using their eyes but if you want to use the information in the light from a star which may include information about its size, distance, surface temperature, chemical composition etc, you need the intelligence to build the necessary measurement devices and knowledge of astronomy.
I'd say there is no information content in such a scenario, rather it is a combination of the subject (observer) in relation to the natural world that inferences (and information as such) is being drawn. Very different to something like DNA which has information inherently.