The meaning of immaterial life

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by 1over137 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:37 pm

Kenny wrote:
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Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
In our world. Prove it is materialistic.
I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?

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Why the person would do that?
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kenny » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:47 pm

1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
In our world. Prove it is materialistic.
I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?

Ken
Why the person would do that?
Love

K
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kurieuo » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:04 pm

Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
In our world. Prove it is materialistic.
I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?

Ken
Why the person would do that?
Love
Chemical reactions.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Nessa » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:47 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
In our world. Prove it is materialistic.
I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?

Ken
Why the person would do that?
Love
Chemical reactions.
Apparently falling in love affects the brain just like crack does y:-?

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kurieuo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:16 am

Nessa wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote: I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?

Ken
Why the person would do that?
Love
Chemical reactions.
Apparently falling in love affects the brain just like crack does y:-?
No, it can't actually work that way.

A material worldview would say that the physical chemistry creates an emotional affect where "we" feel this "falling in love". Yet, it can't work the other way around with "falling in love" affecting the brain unless one accepts mental states aren't all derived from physical states.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:05 am

Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:What is the justification for life being sacred in a materialistic world view?
People will have their own reasons for labeling something sacred; it will usually vary from person to person.

Ken
But certainly not non-religious people?

I mean:
sa·cred
ˈsākrəd/Submit
adjective
connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.
"sacred rites"
synonyms: holy, hallowed, blessed, consecrated, sanctified, venerated, revered; archaicblest
"the priest entered the sacred place"
religious rather than secular.
"sacred music"
synonyms: religious, spiritual, devotional, church, ecclesiastical
"sacred music"
(of writing or text) embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion.
"a sacred Hindu text"

What is the meaning of sacred outside religion ??

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kenny » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:39 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:What is the justification for life being sacred in a materialistic world view?
People will have their own reasons for labeling something sacred; it will usually vary from person to person.

Ken
But certainly not non-religious people?

I mean:
sa·cred
ˈsākrəd/Submit
adjective
connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.
"sacred rites"
synonyms: holy, hallowed, blessed, consecrated, sanctified, venerated, revered; archaicblest
"the priest entered the sacred place"
religious rather than secular.
"sacred music"
synonyms: religious, spiritual, devotional, church, ecclesiastical
"sacred music"
(of writing or text) embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion.
"a sacred Hindu text"

What is the meaning of sacred outside religion ??
I believe sacred is like the word Holy; a term generally associated with religious belief.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:19 am

So how would a non-religious/non-believer use it?

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kenny » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:41 am

PaulSacramento wrote:So how would a non-religious/non-believer use it?
Personally I don't think a non-believer should use it; IMO its one of those terms that should be reserved for those who believe. But you know people nowadays!

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by 1over137 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:31 am

I would go with you in circles Kenny.
Am leaving this conversation.
I have only one nerves.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by RickD » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:33 am

1over137 wrote:
I have only one nerves.
Is that a Slovak idiom?
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:58 am

Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:So how would a non-religious/non-believer use it?
Personally I don't think a non-believer should use it; IMO its one of those terms that should be reserved for those who believe. But you know people nowadays!

Ken
But you agreed that life is sacred, yes?

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Post by Kenny » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:24 am

1over137 wrote:I would go with you in circles Kenny.
Am leaving this conversation.
I have only one nerves.
It's been nice discussing with you my friend!

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by Kenny » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:29 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:So how would a non-religious/non-believer use it?
Personally I don't think a non-believer should use it; IMO its one of those terms that should be reserved for those who believe. But you know people nowadays!

Ken
But you agreed that life is sacred, yes?
I generally don't use the term "sacred" in casual conversation, but when discussing with people who do, I understand what it means to them.

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Re: The meaning of immaterial life

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:47 am

Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:So how would a non-religious/non-believer use it?
Personally I don't think a non-believer should use it; IMO its one of those terms that should be reserved for those who believe. But you know people nowadays!

Ken
But you agreed that life is sacred, yes?
I generally don't use the term "sacred" in casual conversation, but when discussing with people who do, I understand what it means to them.

Ken
Ah, understood, but do you agree? do you agree that life is sacred?

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