Sounds like you are asking me to unlock mysteries science has yet to. There are a million scenarios that could have happened prior to the Big Bang; maybe everything contracted to the singularity before expanding what is known as the big bang; I don’t know. if I listed possibilities all you would do is tear it apart and point out the logical flaws and I wouldn’t defend it because it isn’t what I believe. What I do believe is that matter has always existed in one form or another, that there was never a point in history when nothing physical existed. This idea that stuff just popped into existence doesn’t make sense to me.Philip wrote:Ken, then please explain what happened and what exactly appeared at the moment of the Big Bang. And what pre-existed it. NO physical things - not even space itself existed. So ALL physical things came from something other than the physical, as nothing physical yet existed. That says nothing about Singularity or what it was. But that these things burst forth from a single point, all at once, and those things did not evolve - their designs and functionality were in place at the moment of the Big Bang event - refute that. Refute how these things could come from a non-intelligent cause. As the designs and functions of what immediately showed up check every single box, and spectacularly so, for what would involve intelligence.Ken: Feel free to provide evidence to support any of this stuff you sayin’ tll then I think I will just admit to not having an answer, instead of making stuff up or calling it magic.
Ken, please describe the necessary attributes and parameters for whatever had to be the source of the universe. What are the options? I call assigning a non-intelligent, blind, random series of happenstances so statistically improbable as to be considered impossible, as - yes, "magic!" At the very least, you either have to believe in an eternal, all-powerful intelligence, or blind, random luck to created the astounding. I call that belief in the equivalent of "magic." What do you call it? But please, Ken, describe the attributes and necessary parameters - whether assigned to Singularity or whatever ultimately preceded it. Just saying "it's not magic" doesn't describe it - what other words would YOU use?
I also don’t believe things exist in a spiritual/nonphysical world. If what is described as the spiritual world were ever discovered to exist, it would become just another part of the physical world.
I also don’t believe in the “magic” explanation you provided, and I don't believe your God explanation either, they both sound unrealistic to me; the idea that something physical has always existed sounds more logical to me.