Hortator wrote: Kenny wrote: PaulSacramento wrote: Kenny wrote:
FACT: no culture has ever viewed stealing as right.
Can you dispute that?
Not justified mind you, was it ever viewed as right?
I am not going to dispute that. What's your point?
The point is that stealing is wrong is a moral FACT.
So if someone claims stealing is right, how would you prove them wrong?
Why won't you address Kurieuo above?
Kurieuo and I have had many discussions in the past, and everything he mentioned has pretty much been covered in our many previous discussions; so I felt no need to address them again.
However it appears you are following our discussions, so for your sake I will reply to his post.
Some day Kenny, I pray that the penny drops with morality stuff, or better yet, you have a spiritual awakening of sorts.
I am sure many of my christian friends are praying for me. As with them, I appreciate your good intentions.
I think, based upon seeing your time here at the board and all our discussions, your discussions with others and the like, especially on the morality issue, you're just often too busy running away to really hear and understand what many others say. I'm not even sure you understand much of what Christians hum and har about so how can you even accept what is being said?
I do understand what you guys are saying, I just don’t agree with it. As I said before, I understand the logic in much of what you guys say, its just that in order for your point to make sense; especially with the morality issue, one must presuppose the existence of God or some higher power, and thats not something I am willing to do.
That's not me trying to disparage you, but rather whereas say someone like RickD maybe thinks you're purposefully obtuse, I think you're actually sincere and yet really just can't see. I mean, you've stayed on at this board for some strange reason. You seem to be searching for something, but it's like seeing a blind man search an empty room they're trapped within for a key to unlock the door which can't be found within.
No; I’m not searching for anything, I just like discussing with some of the people here. hopefully I can learn something from you guys, and you guys can learn from me. Perhaps we can both walk away from a conversation a little smarter than when we entered it.
Such is really quite frustrating to watch, because I really don't know how to help you to understand, to see what I see so clearly.
Perhaps you shouldn’t assume if I don’t agree with you, that I just don’t understand
Yet, you willfully remain on this board.
Well… this is the Atheist section and the title of this thread is “question for Atheist”
. With titles like that, I think that’s a pretty good reason to stick around; don’t you?
I can only tell you, what I believe in and see is as clear to me as the Sun. I can only attempt to provide you with reasons.
And I attempt to do that with you as well.
Take that for what it's worth. And, I'm sure even if you don't understand much, you can see many reasons are put forward, certainly to a consistency as good as any other possible position one might choose.
And I appreciate it. That’s why I enjoy discussing with you my friend!
I know such holds little weight with you, but I pray one day you will be able to trust one the keys being given to you in order to take perhaps open up the door to that empty cell
As a Christian I understand it is your job to convert everybody to Christianity, but don’t take it personally; I am not looking for a key, or any type of understanding to fill a void, or to somehow make sense of my life. I never came here for that. I am here because I enjoy discussing with those whom I disagree with and to perhaps provide an alternative point of view that you guys will not get from just “preaching to the choir”. As I said before, there are many people I have talked to whom I’ve learned much from, and it seems there are those who have learned from me as well. It’s not always about conversion; if we can learn from each other, and leave a conversation a little smarter than when we entered it, we will both be better off because of it.
Hortator; is there anything you would like to add?