Is God responsible?

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Is God responsible?

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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:55 am

Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:01 am

Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
People are responsible for themselves, the acts they commit and what they choose to believe or not believe.

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by RickD » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:02 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
People are responsible for themselves, the acts they commit and what they choose to believe or not believe.
Choose to believe?

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1 Corinthians 1:9
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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:05 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
People are responsible for themselves, the acts they commit and what they choose to believe or not believe.
I believe audie once said something about not being able to simply choose to believe (please correct me if I'm wrong, audie) so it got me thinking....

If you feel you cant make yourself believe and there is a God, then whose to blame for your unbelief?

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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:07 am

I'm directing this question at atheists and agnostics.

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Post by RickD » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:20 am

Nessa wrote:I'm directing this question at atheists and agnostics.
Forgive me, milady. :bowing:
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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:28 am

RickD wrote:
Nessa wrote:I'm directing this question at atheists and agnostics.
Forgive me, milady. :bowing:
You're forgiven..
Now stop kissing my feet and fetch me some wine in my favourite goblet :ebiggrin:

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Audie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:34 am

Nessa wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
People are responsible for themselves, the acts they commit and what they choose to believe or not believe.
I believe audie once said something about not being able to simply choose to believe (please correct me if I'm wrong, audie) so it got me thinking....

If you feel you cant make yourself believe and there is a God, then whose to blame for your unbelief?
To blame?

You look at things from what seem to me such an odd pov.

In the dept of responsible, btw-

My Dad quoted Admiral Rickover saying "If you are not responsible, you are irresponsible".

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Kenny » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:36 am

Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
If we assume God exists and he wants us to know he exists, then I would say he is to blame for whatever non-belief one might have. However if God exists, I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has remained hidden; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design.

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:54 am

Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
If we assume God exists and he wants us to know he exists, then I would say he is to blame for whatever non-belief one might have. However if God exists, I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has remained hidden; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design.

Ken
Perhaps you meant to write:
I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has APPEARED TO remained hidden TO SOME; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by B. W. » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:06 am

Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
If we assume God exists and he wants us to know he exists, then I would say he is to blame for whatever non-belief one might have. However if God exists, I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has remained hidden; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design.

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One can deny the existence of trees only at the expense of ignoring the evidence that trees exist.

Who walked away from whom would be a better question and why.
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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:16 am

Audie wrote:
Nessa wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
People are responsible for themselves, the acts they commit and what they choose to believe or not believe.
I believe audie once said something about not being able to simply choose to believe (please correct me if I'm wrong, audie) so it got me thinking....

If you feel you cant make yourself believe and there is a God, then whose to blame for your unbelief?
To blame?

You look at things from what seem to me such an odd pov.

In the dept of responsible, btw-

My Dad quoted Admiral Rickover saying "If you are not responsible, you are irresponsible".
As an odd person, how can I have anything but an odd pov?

So are you saying that if you die not believing, you wouldnt blame God for that?

You would be seperated from him for eternity and it would be your responsibility?

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Nessa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:22 am

Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
If we assume God exists and he wants us to know he exists, then I would say he is to blame for whatever non-belief one might have. However if God exists, I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has remained hidden; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design.

Ken
Thats the kinda response I was expecting some to have.

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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Jac3510 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:33 pm

Maybe I could choose to believe God does not exist so that I can give an answer to the OP.

Trying to believe God doesn't exist . . .

Trying . . .

Still trying . . .

Trying really, really, really hard . . .


Well. That was a waste of time. Sorry, Nessa. Couldn't do it. Pretend I didn't post this.
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Re: Is God responsible?

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Post by Kenny » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:26 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Nessa wrote:Atheists, agnostics...

If there was a God, would He be responsible for your lack of faith in Him?
If we assume God exists and he wants us to know he exists, then I would say he is to blame for whatever non-belief one might have. However if God exists, I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has remained hidden; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design.

Ken
Perhaps you meant to write:
I would not assume he wants us to know he exists because of how well he has APPEARED TO remained hidden TO SOME; thus there would be no blame because it is all by design
Naaw I meant it the way I wrote it. Your response is the way a typical theist would respond; mine is the way a typical atheist would respond. I think Nessa was clear she was looking for an atheists/agnostic perspective.

Ken

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