Is Belief in God Delusional or Non-Belief?

[Mazzy]

Let's just go for the top ten

Here is one of Dawkins works "The God Delusion".

".....Creative intelligences, being evolved, necessarily arrive late in the universe, and therefore cannot be responsible for designing it. God,in the sense defined, is a delusion; and, as later chapters will show, a pernicious delusion."
https://luptaanticapitalista.files.word ... awkins.pdf

Interestingly on page 124, 125 Dawkins presents his refute to the argument for irreducible complexity and the eye, but admits if proven it would destroy TOE. Dawkins hopes to make creationists that use this argument look silly. Now look at this....

"The details of the retina in the fossil hagfish indicates that it had a functional visual system, meaning that living hagfish eyes have been lost through millions of years of evolution, and these animals are not as primitively simple as we originally believed. As a result they are not the most appropriate model for understanding eye evolution."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 222253.htm

Given YECs and day age creationists believe Gods creation was created perfect and then went through the fall, the above information is exactly what one would expect to find in the fossil evidence, devolution. John Sanford, inventor of the gene gun, and atheist turned YEC had lots to say on devolution, but was ridiculed by many for his papers on it.

Irreducible complexity presents a credible argument for a God that did not use gradual change to create his creatures.

[crochet1949]

Interesting comments.

[Mazzy]

Interesting comments.

Thanks.

The first link in my last post is a downloadable copy of Dawkins book, "The God Delusion".

[IceMobster]

Okay -- it is the Claim that it isn't possible to know for sure that God exists. Well -- either He does or He doesn't. And since we have a book that says He Does exist -- then obviously He Does. And we Can see His 'handiwork' as we observe nature. And the positive effect that He has on the lives of those who Do believe.

If I could back up for a moment to a comment that Kenny made -- about the book saying that God Doesn't exit. What book are you referring to?

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

[crochet1949]

Okay -- it is the Claim that it isn't possible to know for sure that God exists. Well -- either He does or He doesn't. And since we have a book that says He Does exist -- then obviously He Does. And we Can see His 'handiwork' as we observe nature. And the positive effect that He has on the lives of those who Do believe.

If I could back up for a moment to a comment that Kenny made -- about the book saying that God Doesn't exit. What book are you referring to?

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

"facepalmed' I couldn't locate. Unless it's the that you're referring to.

<sigh> I Thought that Kenny was referring to a specific belief system / book that claimed that God doesn't exist. But he was referring to specific people and their books written. That doesn't phase me in the least.
I was referring to God's Word / Bible.
Is belief in God......non-belief? It could only be considered a non-belief if there was no God To believe in.

[RickD]

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

Please go easy on the women here. They can't help being the weaker sex.

[Kenny]

Okay -- it is the Claim that it isn't possible to know for sure that God exists. Well -- either He does or He doesn't. And since we have a book that says He Does exist -- then obviously He Does. And we Can see His 'handiwork' as we observe nature. And the positive effect that He has on the lives of those who Do believe.

If I could back up for a moment to a comment that Kenny made -- about the book saying that God Doesn't exit. What book are you referring to?

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

"facepalmed' I couldn't locate. Unless it's the that you're referring to.

<sigh> I Thought that Kenny was referring to a specific belief system / book that claimed that God doesn't exist. But he was referring to specific people and their books written. That doesn't phase me in the least.

I wasn't attempting to phase you, I was trying to point the illogic behind the idea that if a book says "X" is true, that it must be true.

I was referring to God's Word / Bible.
Is belief in God......non-belief? It could only be considered a non-belief if there was no God To believe in.

How are you defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

[IceMobster]

"facepalmed' I couldn't locate. Unless it's the that you're referring to.

<sigh> I Thought that Kenny was referring to a specific belief system / book that claimed that God doesn't exist. But he was referring to specific people and their books written. That doesn't phase me in the least.
I was referring to God's Word / Bible.
Is belief in God......non-belief? It could only be considered a non-belief if there was no God To believe in.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=facepalm

[RickD]

zkrn wrote:
defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

Hey zkrn,

Is Halle Selassie any relation to Haile Selasse?

[Kenny]

zkrn wrote:
defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

Hey zkrn,

Is Halle Selassie any relation to Haile Selasse?

(LOL)

K

[crochet1949]

Okay -- it is the Claim that it isn't possible to know for sure that God exists. Well -- either He does or He doesn't. And since we have a book that says He Does exist -- then obviously He Does. And we Can see His 'handiwork' as we observe nature. And the positive effect that He has on the lives of those who Do believe.

If I could back up for a moment to a comment that Kenny made -- about the book saying that God Doesn't exit. What book are you referring to?

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

"facepalmed' I couldn't locate. Unless it's the that you're referring to.

<sigh> I Thought that Kenny was referring to a specific belief system / book that claimed that God doesn't exist. But he was referring to specific people and their books written. That doesn't phase me in the least.

I wasn't attempting to phase you, I was trying to point the illogic behind the idea that if a book says "X" is true, that it must be true.

I was referring to God's Word / Bible.
Is belief in God......non-belief? It could only be considered a non-belief if there was no God To believe in.

How are you defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

Whomever "Halle Selassie" IS -- That person is obviously Not God.

[RickD]

zkrn wrote:
defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

Hey zkrn,

Is Halle Selassie any relation to Haile Selasse?

(LOL)

K

Omg! Kenny is talking to me again!

[Kenny]

Okay -- it is the Claim that it isn't possible to know for sure that God exists. Well -- either He does or He doesn't. And since we have a book that says He Does exist -- then obviously He Does. And we Can see His 'handiwork' as we observe nature. And the positive effect that He has on the lives of those who Do believe.

If I could back up for a moment to a comment that Kenny made -- about the book saying that God Doesn't exit. What book are you referring to?

No wonder women were not allowed to be theologians or priests. I just facepalmed so hard.

"facepalmed' I couldn't locate. Unless it's the that you're referring to.

<sigh> I Thought that Kenny was referring to a specific belief system / book that claimed that God doesn't exist. But he was referring to specific people and their books written. That doesn't phase me in the least.

I wasn't attempting to phase you, I was trying to point the illogic behind the idea that if a book says "X" is true, that it must be true.

I was referring to God's Word / Bible.
Is belief in God......non-belief? It could only be considered a non-belief if there was no God To believe in.

How are you defining non-belief? I suspect you have non-belief that Halle Selassie is God.

zkrn

Whomever "Halle Selassie" IS -- That person is obviously Not God.

It is obvious to you and I because we are non-believers, but to believers in that religion, he obviously IS God.

Ken

[crochet1949]

Kenny -- Okay -- I understand what you are saying. Everyone believes that Their belief in Their God is Obviously the Right belief. The God who I know Is the Right God is the One we learn about in God's Word. His Word.

[Kenny]

Kenny -- Okay -- I understand what you are saying. Everyone believes that Their belief in Their God is Obviously the Right belief. The God who I know Is the Right God is the One we learn about in God's Word. His Word.

And how is that different than what everyone else believes?

Ken