Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by abelcainsbrother » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:17 pm

Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Ken demanded proof from me while going on his opinion without proof and evidence.It is intellectual dishonesty which is why I demand the same proof and evidence that they do when it comes to God,they ignore our evidence while having none just going on their opinion or non-peer reviewed scientific ideas in some cases.
Perhaps you should go back and read what was said. I was very clear that it was NOT my opinion. I was just giving examples of what a person COULD believe. You made a claim, so I asked you to back it up. I have nothing to back up because I never made any claims.

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I never accused you of taking a stand on anything. I know you refuse to say what you believe because you think it gives you a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,but it does'nt. If you reject the idea God caused the singularity or Dark Matter then you are required to have proof and evidence why you disagree. Nobody gets a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,even if you think somehow you are excused,you are not. So stop hiding and start looking for evidence and proof for what you believe and you'll see you don't have any,perhaps its why you won't and just choose to go on your opinions.
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Kenny » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:05 pm

abelcainsbrother wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Ken demanded proof from me while going on his opinion without proof and evidence.It is intellectual dishonesty which is why I demand the same proof and evidence that they do when it comes to God,they ignore our evidence while having none just going on their opinion or non-peer reviewed scientific ideas in some cases.
Perhaps you should go back and read what was said. I was very clear that it was NOT my opinion. I was just giving examples of what a person COULD believe. You made a claim, so I asked you to back it up. I have nothing to back up because I never made any claims.

Ken
I never accused you of taking a stand on anything. I know you refuse to say what you believe because you think it gives you a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,but it does'nt. If you reject the idea God caused the singularity or Dark Matter then you are required to have proof and evidence why you disagree. Nobody gets a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,even if you think somehow you are excused,you are not. So stop hiding and start looking for evidence and proof for what you believe and you'll see you don't have any,perhaps its why you won't and just choose to go on your opinions.
The fact that I don't claim God, dark matter, (or even Santa Clause for that matter) as an explanation to the Universe, my reasons are sufficient for me to believe; you or others may reject my reasons but since I am not trying to convince you or anyone else that they aren't responsible I have nothing to prove to you guys; the only proof I need is to myself. You on the other hand Made a specific claim. Now if you expect me to take your claim seriously, you need to back it up. Nobody who makes a claim gets a pass when it comes to proof and evidence; even if you somehow think you are excused, you are not. So stop hiding and start providing some evidence and proof for what you've claimed or accept the fact that your claim will be rejected, and rightly so.

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Storyteller » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:07 am

So Ken, the sperm and the egg.

The sperm and egg originate from an intelligent source, so again, where is there an example of intelligence coming from non intelligence?
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Kenny » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:24 am

Storyteller wrote:So Ken, the sperm and the egg.

The sperm and egg originate from an intelligent source, so again, where is there an example of intelligence coming from non intelligence?
I cannot think of one. But does that mean it doesn't' exist, or that it's impossible?

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Storyteller » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:47 am

Kenny wrote:
Storyteller wrote:So Ken, the sperm and the egg.

The sperm and egg originate from an intelligent source, so again, where is there an example of intelligence coming from non intelligence?
I cannot think of one. But does that mean it doesn't' exist, or that it's impossible?

Ken
Not at all, but it does mean you can`t prove it, doesn`t it?
So it`s something you choose to believe.

Would you then concede that it is, at least possible, that intelligence can only spring from intelligence?
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Kenny » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:56 am

Storyteller wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Storyteller wrote:So Ken, the sperm and the egg.

The sperm and egg originate from an intelligent source, so again, where is there an example of intelligence coming from non intelligence?
I cannot think of one. But does that mean it doesn't' exist, or that it's impossible?

Ken
Not at all, but it does mean you can`t prove it, doesn`t it?
So it`s something you choose to believe.

Would you then concede that it is, at least possible, that intelligence can only spring from intelligence?
When it comes to that which I don't know about, I concede the answer could be yes or no, I make no claim either way.

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Byblos » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:05 am

Kenny wrote:When it comes to that which I don't know about, I concede the answer could be yes or no, I make no claim either way.
Now that's an intelligent answer. I make no claim where it came from either. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Storyteller » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:16 am

Kenny wrote:
Storyteller wrote:
Kenny wrote:
Storyteller wrote:So Ken, the sperm and the egg.

The sperm and egg originate from an intelligent source, so again, where is there an example of intelligence coming from non intelligence?
I cannot think of one. But does that mean it doesn't' exist, or that it's impossible?

Ken
Not at all, but it does mean you can`t prove it, doesn`t it?
So it`s something you choose to believe.

Would you then concede that it is, at least possible, that intelligence can only spring from intelligence?
When it comes to that which I don't know about, I concede the answer could be yes or no, I make no claim either way.

Ken
So then, it is possible that God does indeed exist, and is the Creator of all this, yes?

(Admittedly, it`s also possible that God doesn`t exist and all this is just random)

I saw a documentary with prof Brian Cox last night, about evolution, natural selection and so on. Utterly fascinating.
The combinations of mutations possible number bigger than all the atoms in the universe appaerntly. So the chances of evolution being random are so infitisimal (how do you spell that?) to be impossible.
So...
if it isn`t random then surely it stands to reason it must be down to design, so who, or what, did the designing?
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by abelcainsbrother » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:43 am

Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:Ken demanded proof from me while going on his opinion without proof and evidence.It is intellectual dishonesty which is why I demand the same proof and evidence that they do when it comes to God,they ignore our evidence while having none just going on their opinion or non-peer reviewed scientific ideas in some cases.
Perhaps you should go back and read what was said. I was very clear that it was NOT my opinion. I was just giving examples of what a person COULD believe. You made a claim, so I asked you to back it up. I have nothing to back up because I never made any claims.

Ken
I never accused you of taking a stand on anything. I know you refuse to say what you believe because you think it gives you a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,but it does'nt. If you reject the idea God caused the singularity or Dark Matter then you are required to have proof and evidence why you disagree. Nobody gets a pass when it comes to proof and evidence,even if you think somehow you are excused,you are not. So stop hiding and start looking for evidence and proof for what you believe and you'll see you don't have any,perhaps its why you won't and just choose to go on your opinions.
The fact that I don't claim God, dark matter, (or even Santa Clause for that matter) as an explanation to the Universe, my reasons are sufficient for me to believe; you or others may reject my reasons but since I am not trying to convince you or anyone else that they aren't responsible I have nothing to prove to you guys; the only proof I need is to myself. You on the other hand Made a specific claim. Now if you expect me to take your claim seriously, you need to back it up. Nobody who makes a claim gets a pass when it comes to proof and evidence; even if you somehow think you are excused, you are not. So stop hiding and start providing some evidence and proof for what you've claimed or accept the fact that your claim will be rejected, and rightly so.

Ken
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion. Your opinion without evidence trumps the evidence and reasons how we know things have a cause in our world and universe. You are hiding behind your opinion while having no evidence instead of looking for evidence and letting the chips fall where they may based on evidence. Your opinion without evidence does not trump evidence and reason like you think but you willingly ignore reality and take the long way around and I hope oneday you will start to value evidence like you do when it comes to God yet not your opinions. You only want proof and evidence when it comes to God,but not when it comes to your opinions.
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Kenny » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:04 pm

abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by RickD » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:21 pm

Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

Ken
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by abelcainsbrother » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:09 pm

RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

Ken
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We like ACB to think we don't ignore his "evidence". :mrgreen:
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Audie » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:51 am

RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

Ken
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We like ACB to think we don't ignore his "evidence". :mrgreen:
I dont ignore it, as, you know, such. I see it for what it is, then ignore it.

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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by RickD » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:11 am

Audie wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

Ken
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We like ACB to think we don't ignore his "evidence". :mrgreen:
I dont ignore it, as, you know, such. I see it for what it is, then ignore it.
So, you don't ignore it but you do ignore it. :swhat:
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Re: Why is it so difficult to believe in God?

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Post by Audie » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:13 am

RickD wrote:
Audie wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah but just like always I give you evidence that you ignore while you have no evidence and instead go on your opinion.
I never ignored your evidence, I just didn't agree with it.

Ken
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We like ACB to think we don't ignore his "evidence". :mrgreen:
I dont ignore it, as, you know, such. I see it for what it is, then ignore it.
So, you don't ignore it but you do ignore it. :swhat:
I suspect you are rather like that.

Don't ignore mail until you see that it's junk. Then you ignore it.

Maybe even the phone, when its a robo call?

Possibly you eat, then you don't eat. Sleep, then don't sleep.

Read a ab-evidence, then ignore it.

No?

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