Jac3510 wrote: Kenny wrote: Seraph wrote:
There would still have been an element of faith involved that God would sustain the ark and not kill Noah and his family in the flood though, no?
Faith isn't just believe in something without evidence, it is also synonymous with trust.
I guess different people use the term different ways; I've always thought of it as to believe and trust without empirical
And you've been informed that is not
what the word means. The Greek word is pistis
. The Hebrew is aman
. Neither pistis
mean "faith without empirical evidence." They both mean, as you have been told, "trust" (both have close connections to the idea of reliability and durability). That's the point 1/137 is making. However you are using the word, you are using it in a way that the biblical writers did not.
You might find this helpful:
Jac's article brings out the meaning of faith in both Hebrew and Greek meaning to place your trust in something or to rely upon it.
I would add to this to Faith believe means to place your trust in someone or something too rely upon the object of your faith.
We rely upon what Jesus did on the cross. We trust his word to believe in Him...
There are nuances to the word as well and with the Hebrew root pictograph which are individual letters in picture form of a Ox Head (EL/Al), water (Mah), and a sprouting seed (NaN). What does that all mean? Well, it depends on how the word is used in the context it is used in. So lets use the context aman (believe) as it relates to believing God... and each letter in the ancient Hebrew root has a meaning:
Ancient Hebrew letter Picture - ox-head - Letter AL/EL - and it means = strong, strength, might, power, stamina, leader, ruler... The ox head was the first letter for Elohim and EL (God)
Ancient Hebrew letter Picture depicts - water - and its meaning means chaos, mighty, blood, water - torrent of liquid that continues - or the blood line continues
Ancient Hebrew Picture letter is of a - sprouting seed - and the letter name is NaN with the letter mean to continue, heir, son, to establish and make firm a blood line, heir, offspring - the idea is hard for us to grasp but it is make firm and secure a heritage for those coming after you.
Please note I am leaving the Hebrew vowels out...Think of modern day texting - you leave the vowels out - the ancient text left out vowels too...
So what you have in the pictograph for Aman (Believe) is making God your strength and total trust, thru blood that continuously, establishes one secure and firm in a family line - a heritage - inheritance...
So in the ancient Hebrew pictograph of the word Believe as it is used in context with God, the nuance of aman (believe/faith) paints the picture of redemption thru the blood of Christ Jesus, that makes you secure and firm in God's house (by adoption) receiving an inheritance incorruptible, secure, and sure by committing / entrusting yourself totally in God's strength and abilities...
That's faith and did not Paul write of these very expressions say for instance in Ephesians 1:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 ?
When Abram believed God in Gen 15:6 did not the context revolve around establishing a blood line in which the Messiah would come to reconcile people back to God - secured forever in him?
3/27 - EDIT: Abram relied totally on God to achieve the promise God made while looking at the stars in heaven - that is the concept of faith being expressed and that made Abram righteous in God's sight. The concept of faith/believing revolves around on relying, trusting totally in God's work - word promise alone - His total care - and not on one's own work to achieve God's promise/word. Abram did have a sin nature that needed dealt with that would cause him to Miss that Mark, and God handled that, through living processes, kept His promise and refined Abraham's character to live according to that total trust, dependence, reliance, fidelity on God alone. The importance of this was lain upon the alter, Isaac, and God staying the knife with a ram in a thicket and calling out to him - the promise...
Yes, we miss learning things like that in Sunday school about faith - believing form the Hebrew word amam... don't we...
The entrance involves entrusting yourself totally in God's strength and abilities by His grace... The idea is that you can trust God and that trust places yourself into his complete and total care - the Care of the Heavenly Father, security of the Son, and life transforming power of the Holy Spirit to learn His ways...etc...
Mix this with the Greek word for faith and believe and you have loyalty, commitment, trust, fidelity added in. In other words, entrusting yourself to the loyalty, commitment, trust, fidelity of sovereign God alone. In other words, as Paul said in Galatians 2:20, "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
The other contexts in which the Hebrew word for faith and believe are used - denote made secure, firm, established - placing yourself under the care of a master craftsman to be trained, and equipped to carry on the craftsman's trade
Since one letter of 'aman' (NaN) is a picture of a seed - now read Mark 11:1-33 again and whatever else Jesus mentioned faith as a seed...
Interesting things aren't they that make connections within the bible that shows a divine authorship even in the ancient Hebrew letters and pictograph forms of certain words...
And the pictograph for YHWH means - Hand Behold/reveals Nail Look -interesting isn't it? - Note John 20:26-29 -
Also, next, within the One Name for God - YHWH - Father Son, and Holy Spirit is revealed....
Letter Yud - picture of An Arm and Hand - Meaning - Work, Throw, Worship, Hand, Arm
Letter Hey - picture of a Man with Arms Raised - meaning -Look, Behold, Reveal, Breathe
Letter Vav - picture of a Tent Peg or Nail - meaning - Add, Secure, Hook, Peg, Nail
Letter Hey -picture of a Man with Arms Raised - meaning -Look, Behold, Reveal, Breathe, Breath
Work of Hand reveals the nail Behold - John 6:44 - the Father (Acts 4:27-28)
Hand Behold/reveals Nail Look - John 20:26-29 - The Son
Throwing Hand Look (by) nail breath revealed - The Holy Spirit - Job 33:4; Psalms 33:6 - John 14:16, John 15:26, John 16:7, John 20:22, Acts 2:2
Note a throwing hand denotes power and the Holy Spirit role is of empowerment for service and a mighty rushing wind (breath) and tongues of fire fell on those in the Upper room....
They don't teach this in Sunday school do they?
Maybe you should?