You don't seriously believe what a mother wants/doesn't want doesn't decides whether one is human do you? If it does, then well, there are no doubt many born "humans" walking around whose mothers didn't want them. Let's say to all those adopted people out there, sorry, but you're not really human "person" (whatever that subjectively means). Do you really believe that Bryan?
Although you try to simplify this matter, it doesn't actually work that way. You are not talking about two separate humans. There is one human inside another human and the unborn human is DEPENDENT on the mother to become a LIVE being. So yes, the mother is the one who can decide. When a person is dependent on another, the other person can make decisions that affect the dependent.
No, you don't believe that do you? You're inconsistent. Illogical. Speaking slogans you just picked up somewhere in your life and regurgitating them here.
Please mind your own language. As I said from the start of the discussion: I am just presenting a point of view in a very complicated matter for which I have my own doubts and I am not pro life or pro abortion. I remain UNDECIDED.
No it doesn't. If parents can't or don't want to take care of their children, they have an OBLIGATION to take them to social services where they can be cared for. They cannot just neglect their well-being. If they do, they are rightfully punished by society.
SOCIETY CHANGES. [I don't need to remind you what they did with some of the children in Ancient Sparta, right?]
And by the way, current law proves your argument wrong in another way. Absentee fathers are still required to pay child support even if they don't want the child--even if they took measures to avoid having the child. Therefore, you are wrong when you say that we cannot force someone to take care of another human being. On the contrary, one of the basic premises of society is that parents are required by law to take care of their children. They don't get to "opt in" for that responsibility, and the sure as heck don't get to "opt out" of it.
All I can say about your comment is: LOL.
Paying money? Who cares about money when your father isn't there for you? So I am not wrong at all. You can force the father to pay, but you can't force the father to actually raise the child. That is what I am talking about. Financial compensation? Really? So actually fathers can opt-out and PAY.
Never heard of mothers opting out and paying child support. Have you?
Look Jac, you are arguing with me for PERFECT LAWS in a society that is far, far, far away from being perfect. So coming back to what you said to me on the other thread where we were talking about using the RIGHT TOOLS when trying to prove the existence of GOD, what tools do you want to use in this society? Utopic tools?