Atheism: Belief or Position?

Healthy skepticism of ALL worldviews is good. Skeptical of non-belief like found in Atheism? Post your challenging questions. Responses are encouraged.

Is atheism a belief?

Yes
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68%
No
5
23%
May be
2
9%
 
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Kenny » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:59 pm

1over137 wrote:"I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how heaven goes."" -- Galileo Galilei
what does that mean?

K
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by 1over137 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:30 pm

Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:"I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how heaven goes."" -- Galileo Galilei
what does that mean?

K
E.g. That Bible's intention is not to provide scientific claims, but to teach how one goes to heaven.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Kenny » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:36 am

1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:"I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how heaven goes."" -- Galileo Galilei
what does that mean?

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E.g. That Bible's intention is not to provide scientific claims, but to teach how one goes to heaven.
Excellent point! I like your way of thinking. Kinda makes me wonder about those who try to use the bible to refute what is taught in science classes.

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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by 1over137 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:53 am

Unless they teach universe created itself ;)
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
-- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:19 pm

Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:"I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how heaven goes."" -- Galileo Galilei
what does that mean?

K
E.g. That Bible's intention is not to provide scientific claims, but to teach how one goes to heaven.
Excellent point! I like your way of thinking. Kinda makes me wonder about those who try to use the bible to refute what is taught in science classes.

Ken

You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal. :mrgreen:

There is a wide range of thought on this board, a lot of us have no issue with evolution etc...
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Kenny » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:24 pm

1over137 wrote:Unless they teach universe created itself ;)
Naaw I don't think anyone teaches that.

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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Kenny » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:27 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:"I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree: "The intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how heaven goes."" -- Galileo Galilei
what does that mean?

K
E.g. That Bible's intention is not to provide scientific claims, but to teach how one goes to heaven.
Excellent point! I like your way of thinking. Kinda makes me wonder about those who try to use the bible to refute what is taught in science classes.

Ken

You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal. :mrgreen:

There is a wide range of thought on this board, a lot of us have no issue with evolution etc...
Okay! Thanks for the heads up

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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by RickD » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:58 pm

Daniel wrote:
You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal.
Ummm...Ken Ham is Australian.

But he lives in America, so you may be correct. :pound:
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24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:05 pm

RickD wrote:
Daniel wrote:
You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal.
Ummm...Ken Ham is Australian.

But he lives in America, so you may be correct. :pound:
He's an American now, you can tell by how insane he is. :mrgreen:
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Seraph » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:12 pm

The question of whether atheism is a belief depends on how you define agnostic.

Some say that being agnostic about something means "not sure" and one can be an agnostic and be either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist. Under this categorization, atheism is further divided into strong atheism ("I believe there is no God") and weak atheism ("I don't really hold a belief in God"). Under this categorization, strong atheism is a belief and weak atheism is just a lack of belief.

Others would categorize weak atheism as agnostic and strong atheism as just atheist. If you classify it like this, all atheism is belief.
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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Kenny » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:07 pm

RickD wrote:
Daniel wrote:
You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal.
Ummm...Ken Ham is Australian.

But he lives in America, so you may be correct. :pound:
Who is Ken Ham?

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Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?

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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:19 pm

Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Daniel wrote:
You will find that only happens in America, most of the rest world is pretty normal.
Ummm...Ken Ham is Australian.

But he lives in America, so you may be correct. :pound:
Who is Ken Ham?

Ken
Ken Ham is the poster boy and founder of Answers In Genesis (Y.E.C), he is a very polarizing figure because he calls other Christians not very nice things because they don't believe as he does that the Earth is 6000 years old. 8-}2
1Tim1:15-17
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.

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